AT&T hearts NSA, DOJ Will Assert Military and State Secrets Privilege

[Neomega]

http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_04.php#004613

"Government Moves to Intervene in AT&T Surveillance Case"

DOJ Will Assert Military and State Secrets Privilege and Request Dismissal of Lawsuit

San Francisco - The United States government filed a "Statement of Interest" Friday in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF's) class-action lawsuit against AT&T, announcing that the government would "assert the military and state secrets privilege" and "intervene to seek dismissal" of the case.

EFF's lawsuit accuses AT&T of collaborating with the National Security Agency in its massive surveillance program. EFF's evidence regarding AT&T's dragnet surveillance of its networks, currently filed under seal, includes a declaration by Mark Klein, a retired AT&T telecommunications technician, and several internal AT&T documents. This evidence was bolstered and explained by the expert opinion of J. Scott Marcus, who served as Senior Advisor for Internet Technology to the Federal Communications Commission from July 2001 until July 2005

Much of the evidence in the case is currently under seal, as AT&T claims public release of the documents would expose trade secrets. A hearing on the issue is scheduled for May 17th.

For the full Statement of Interest:
http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/USA_···rest.pdf

For more on EFF's suit:
http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/ "


So the router set up to screen millions of domestic callers, (read illegally search) will now fall under state secrets. Will AT&T and the NSA get away with this?

 

[CartesianFart]

Good to know that corporations are complying to the national interest of the people,i feel more safe to know that we are monitoring individuals that can suspectedly intent to blow up or harm people and infrastructures.

 

[Neomega]

Good to know that corporations are complying to the national interest of the people,i feel more safe to know that we are monitoring individuals that can suspectedly intent to blow up or harm people and infrastructures.

Just be sure you don't say anything on the phone that would show a distaste for the US government.

 

[CartesianFart]

Just be sure you don't say anything on the phone that would show a distaste for the US government.

Really,care to elucidate on the meaning of distaste for the US government,or are you already paranoid that we are monitored as of now as we are corresponding and this will get us arrested.

 

[Xanikk999]

Just be sure you don't say anything on the phone that would show a distaste for the US government.

You can show all the distaste you want. You just cant say things like "Hey you wanna come to my place so we can start planning the assasination of bush". Even if you do say that they would launch an investigation if they found out before they arrest you.

 

[Neomega]

Really,care to elucidate on the meaning of distaste for the US government,or are you already paranoid that we are monitored as of now as we are corresponding and this will get us arrested.

I mean hope you aren't an activist in a party opposite to the one in power in 5 years.

I mean we are in America, and in America, you are allowed to talk on the phone without the fear of some government official listening in. That's for the Soviets.

I mean Nixon would be happy to know that now he could just have the NSA tap his opponents calls from a San Fransisco skyscraper, instead of trying to get thieves to break into watergate to steal records and fix wiretaps. Yes, Nixon was not a crook, he was a trendsetter.

 

[Neomega]

You can show all the distaste you want. You just cant say things like "Hey you wanna come to my place so we can start planning the assasination of bush". Even if you do say that they would launch an investigation if they found out before they arrest you.

Or you cant say on the phone "You just cant say things like Hey you wanna come to my place so we can start planning the assasination of bush"

because the words Bush and assassination can't go together. Then, imagine having to defend yourself and what you said in court, if you were a zealous anti-war demonstrator. And on tape, they have you saying "....Hey you wanna come to my place so we can start planning the assasination of bush" (notice without the "You can't just say part")

You were simply explaining to someone what cannot be said over the phone, (think about that, what cannot be said over the phone, in Amerika! USSA!) and instead you are trying to explain to a secret grand jury a "BS" story about how you didn't really mean you hated Bush and wanted to kill him, (allthough they have hundreds of online statements sayign you hated him), that you were just trying to explain what cannot be said over the phone, now that the NSA, (who you have all respect for, and now realize after 2 months of hostile witness holding in a federal jail cell, that the NSA has all rights to tap your phone) is legally tapping all American's phones.

 

[CartesianFart]

I mean hope you aren't an activist in a party opposite to the one in power in 5 years.

What make you think that there will be political persecution in 5 years,Mr.Nostradamus?

I mean we are in America, and in America, you are allowed to talk on the phone without the fear of some government official listening in. That's for the Soviets.

How will i know or you if they were listening or not?What is the fear,a voyeuristic bogeyman that want to lock you up with your cliche anti-president sloganeering comments?Please.

I mean Nixon would be happy to know that now he could just have the NSA tap his opponents calls from a San Fransisco skyscraper, instead of trying to get thieves to break into watergate to steal records and fix wiretaps. Yes, Nixon was not a crook, he was a trendsetter.

I am not making a mockery,but i am having trouble with your concern of a possible abuse of power without any merit to explaining the proof of abuse.

 

[Neomega]

What make you think that there will be political persecution in 5 years,Mr.Nostradamus?

There is political persecution today, Mr. Fart.

How will i know or you if they were listening or not?What is the fear,a voyeuristic bogeyman that want to lock you up with your cliche anti-president sloganeering comments?Please.

When I dial someone, I am dialling that person, if I wanted the NSA to hear my conversations, I'd put them on a three way call.

I am not making a mockery,but i am having trouble with your concern of a possible abuse of power without any merit to explaining the proof of abuse.

Well geez, since it is illegal in the first place

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

note amendment IV

 

[usarmy18]

So the router set up to screen millions of domestic callers, (read illegally search) will now fall under state secrets. Will AT&T and the NSA get away with this?

*GASP*

Is somebody..afraid?

Oh, and yes, they will get away with it. I, for one, am not paranoid enough to think that the government will use this to persecute any political rivals in five years or whatever, nor do I have anything to hide from the government if they happen to tap into my phone lines (which is highly unlikely).

 

[CartesianFart]

There is political persecution today, Mr. Fart.

Where?Can you give me the list of organizations and individuals that are being persecuted.

When I dial someone, I am dialling that person, if I wanted the NSA to hear my conversations, I'd put them on a three way call.

You will never know if you were being monitored or not,that is what called spying.

Well geez, since it is illegal in the first place

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

note amendment IV

I think you are stuck on the religious feelings of our constitution as a christian view the bible as some sacred text that can't be changed.Religious belief is something as a belief that yesterday beliefs should always be like tommorrow.This is not practical in a world that always change in the course of time.

Our constitution is so simple and practical that it is possible always to meet extraordinary needs by changes in emphasis and arrangement without loss of essential form.-Franklin D. Roosevelt

Why can't you see this wisdom from a practitioner who have done this great honourable duty to serve our country.Remember,that we were attacked,and the dogmatic view of our constitution is not practical in reality in the threat of future terrorist attack.

 

[usarmy18]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neomega
There is political persecution today, Mr. Fart.

Where?Can you give me the list of organizations and individuals that are being persecuted.

I highly doubt he can. It sounds like more rhetoric coming from the left. Who knows, maybe he can pull a few lists and charts out of his hat? Although the authenticity would very much come into doubt.

Why can't you see this wisdom from a practitioner who have done this great honourable duty to serve our country.Remember,that we were attacked,and the dogmatic view of our constitution is not practical in reality in the threat of future terrorist attack.

Ahh, Mr. Fart, but Neomega is one of those liberal types who thinks that we're going way overboard in our persecution of the war on terror. Why don't you ask him what he thinks we should REALLY be fighting..or should I say..whom? *cough* *cough* George Bush *cough* *cough* *hack*

 

[CartesianFart]

I highly doubt he can. It sounds like more rhetoric coming from the left. Who knows, maybe he can pull a few lists and charts out of his hat? Although the authenticity would very much come into doubt.

Indeed,unless he does have a shocker to suprise us that make us want to march down by the millions to Washington D.C.
Of course that is probably what the left secretly want ,is it?

 

[Neomega]

*GASP*

Is somebody..afraid?

Oh, and yes, they will get away with it. I, for one, am not paranoid enough to think that the government will use this to persecute any political rivals in five years or whatever, nor do I have anything to hide from the government if they happen to tap into my phone lines (which is highly unlikely).

I've seen enough of your statements on this site to know you say **** you will regret. You will regret it when some liberal whacko president is hunting down racists with military background, who might have illegal weapons, like yourself.

 

[usarmy18]

Just where do you get that I'm racist? I sure would like to know. Are you getting that from the ramblings of a grief stricken 15 year old who just lost his brother in Iraq and hated everyone of every race then? Or is it because I said two little words a few weeks ago? Please enlighten me.

Wait, wait..is that an EMOTIONAL argument Neomega? Well gee, I guess everything you've said in this post is flawed now. You lose, bye now.

Illegal weapons? Is that another one of your liberal fantasys? It'll be a cold day in hell before guns are outlawed in the US. Read that document you keep quoting in this topic. I do believe it and the Bill of Rights says that we have a right to bear arms.

 

[Tenochtitlan]

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

Enough said.

 

[Neomega]

Where?Can you give me the list of organizations and individuals that are being persecuted.

Well, there was the Florida and Portland, OR professors, who were later released due to lack of evidence.

There were the two women thrown out of the state of the Union and charged for wearing t-shirts with political slogans, (allthough later the charges were dropped)


Jerry Doyle
http://ds.columbuslawlib.org:8080/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-1704/ca1.doc
or
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache...lumbus+School+Board"&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

and of course Mr Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame had a little problem

I think you are stuck on the religious feelings of our constitution as a christian view the bible as some sacred text that can't be changed.Religious belief is something as a belief that yesterday beliefs should always be like tommorrow.This is not practical in a world that always change in the course of time.

I think you are stuck on the idea that the constitution was written for a time, and not written based on the innante nature of man and power. And written on the premise government is a necessary evil.

Why can't you see this wisdom from a practitioner who have done this great honourable duty to serve our country.Remember,that we were attacked,and the dogmatic view of our constitution is not practical in reality in the threat of future terrorist attack.

I am so gonna laugh in your face when you start *****ing about the liberal violating your rights when they take back over the white house and congress. I'll just laugh and bring all this junk back up.

 

[ChrTh]

I mean Nixon would be happy to know that now he could just have the NSA tap his opponents calls from a San Fransisco skyscraper, instead of trying to get thieves to break into watergate to steal records and fix wiretaps. Yes, Nixon was not a crook, he was a trendsetter.

Point of fact: it's generally accepted now by historians that Nixon did not order the Watergate break-in; he just merely was trying to cover up for some friends

 

[Neomega]

Just where do you get that I'm racist? I sure would like to know. Are you getting that from the ramblings of a grief stricken 15 year old who just lost his brother in Iraq and hated everyone of every race then? Or is it because I said two little words a few weeks ago? Please enlighten me.

Yup, your story about how you and your friend Will McKnight drove a *N-word* out of Indiana. That and the way you like to use the *N-word* and spic in your posts. Even your recent posts. Oh, and your little stories were before your brother died in a car accident in Iraq.

Illegal weapons? Is that another one of your liberal fantasys? It'll be a cold day in hell before guns are outlawed in the US. Read that document you keep quoting in this topic. I do believe it and the Bill of Rights says that we have a right to bear arms.

Sure does. Also says we have the right from search and seizure, but you'll throw that awaay so readily. Prepare to be searched and seized when those liberal whackos decide to outlaw the polished pistol grip - flashlight combo on your m4. (thats just a Washington state law, you can have one or the other, but not both)

You see, you give your rights up gleefully now, thinking Bush will always be in power, and those in power will always be your friends. But in this country, things never are that way. Eventually, your enemies will be in power, and all your brash statements you made so confidently will come back to haunt you.

 

[Neomega]

One other thing, (God I hate taking adults to constitution school)

but the executive branch, (the NSA is part of this) enforces laws, it doesn't make them.

(remember that balance of powers thing) so if the executive wants to do something, they can get congress to pass the law to allow them to do it (remember the legislative branch?)

They can't just make deals with AT&T, and then bypass the judicial (that pesky third branch in the balance of powers) by declaring state and military secrets.