"Attacko's -What is "Strategy"

I always wondered why in certain American television crime dramas (whatever you call them), they burst into a place shouting "NYPD!". Why don't they just say "Police!"?

Acronym fetish?

By the way, "play the map" is an annoying phrase to me as well. I know the people who say it mean it a certain way but to most beginners you probably might as well say "Play the game" and it would mean about the same.

Sure it's probably more long-winded to say "Plan you strategy based on what land surrounds you and what civs are nearby rather than what civ or leader you have" but it sure makes a lot more sense than "play the map".
 
Myths, Bans, and Trolls- A strategy others use to beat you

I think the first general for the north in the american civil war kept on asking for more and more troops and Lincoln got mad and got someone else and that someone else charged in and got whooped.
then i think they put him back in and he did the same thing so Lincoln took him out and put in someone else who got whooped.

I can't remember the general's name right now and i suppose i could look it up and that there is more to the story but the point is he is regarded as an example of a really bad general.

In essence- this general was right not to charge in, and was right to gather up the industerial might - as this strategy is what eventually ended up WINNING THE WAR.

(there was also a jr officer that used gatlin guns on the offensive- you know like what armies did about 50 years later. - don't know his name either.

How about Epaminondas? never lost a battle- ushered in modern war theory.
(Eschelon formation used in WW2- about a billion years later)

No you hear...Gen Lee was a Great General - (Loser. Pickets charge? He suxed, the stupid old fool)
Hannibal, Custer, Napoleon, Charge of the Light Brigade, - the western penchant for writing more about losers then winners- then creating a myth-

The point is this. A well known handle may be more myth then competence.

I suggest your better off with some strange advice from a "jr" officer then the respected (Place your Handle of Choice Here)
-like Lee who at some point probably thought "wow repeating rifles lets not get them because i am a rich guy and after all this is over i can drink tea with servants i now have to pay and me and the other fellows can write about it.")

(one southern general did buy the Le Matt- revolver- a shotgun pistol repeater - don't know his name either...)

Posting different strategies i have been banned, warned, some recommending a ban
placed on ignore (with apologies to the moderators) and called "troll".

by the same token i have been given links, quotes, and ideas. That's actually kind of a nice thing to do. The board itself has -regardless of age -from what i can tell - smarter then average members -moreso then others-

"I used to get angry, now i'm just amused"- Elvis Costello

A strategical dynamic- like in multiplayer- don't be fooled- the enemy will try to get you to play their game- and if you do not -become - angry. It does not matter - don't get into the social scene - not needed- it will blind to what you know is true but hold back- and more importantly will hinder your strategical ability.

"I have to be social in order to manipulate" - is another issue-

this is screenshot of whatever it is in about 5 minutes or so. Its Lincoln with a hole in his head.
 

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Myths, Bans, and Trolls- A strategy others use to beat you

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Posting different strategies i have been banned, warned, some recommending a ban
placed on ignore (with apologies to the moderators) and called "troll".

You are not the first to be booed off by your own crowd. Even Jesus Christ didn't get to enjoy homecourt advantage. And I hear he was a nice fellow.
 
I always wondered why in certain American television crime dramas (whatever you call them), they burst into a place shouting "NYPD!". Why don't they just say "Police!"?

Acronym fetish?

An acronym fetish? In the country that brought you CSI, NCIS, CHiPS, ER, MASH, JAG, ALF, The Man from UNCLE, NYPD Blue, The PJs, QED, SWAT, Law & Order SVU, and Gomer pyle - USMC? The country that shouts it's acronym at international sporting events? Well... ok, maybe...
 
Fun v. Industriousness in Strategy

History is rife with examples of both working wonders.

Fun – Bruce Lee said something like ‘one shouldn’t feel angry when fighting, one should feel every emotion at once.’ The Manhattan Project – the math was done almost singlehandedly one drunk night by an MIT frat pledge (it was fun for him.) – Michael Phelps skipped qualifications, had very little training and had so much THC running through his system he could not pronounce his own name but he broke an American and world record (the former being, realistically, more significant than the latter.) - The Greeks or something built a horse out of paper mache, infiltrated a city, shoplifted some DVDs and ran away while one of their generals made out with a woman he had wanted to for quite some time.

Industriousness – Some transatlantic cable was built across the ocean in the mid 1800's. It was grueling work that involved since forgotten deep sea steam punk technology, many of the workers got the bends and went to bed lonely but when it was all said and done it allowed the US and Europe to share more porn, which was important in such stifling times.

But then there are some instances where Industriousness simply trumps fun. Case in point…

Stalingrad

The Germans kept on psyching out the Russians, doing what was unpredictable and doing it quickly “lightning war” after all Goering was usually hungry during meetings. Go for Moscow, it’s the capital, logical enough. No, get the oil fields, wait no, Stalingrad, they’ll never suspect it…their guide was crazy as evidenced by the silly mustache…they thought it would be a good time, create a giant living room in Eastern Europe or something to do with an adolescent fixation on busty blondes and strange interpretations of the Tibetan occult. Their uniforms were shiny and designed not to have wrinkles with suitability to the elements being an afterthought, the best soldiers had lightning bolt pins like suckers who pay a fee to The Mickey Mouse Club…war was in essence fun to them, something to do on a whim, invade this one to the West, can’t cross a channel cause it’s no fun building transports, let’s go east and invade the largest country which is 75% tundra and full of laborers with no future…it will all be fun and over before we know it.

Meanwhile, the Russians had a different angle. Only invade for practical and diplomatic purposes and when dog piling a country that didn’t stand a chance. Moving the factories further inland wasn’t fun but it was necessary. They were used to the old notion of a hard day’s work for a small piece of bad bread or not even that. Their uniforms were made with utility and cold in mind, not as a suitable substitute high school prom rental tuxedo (remember the adolescent fixation with busty blondes.) Many of the Russian generals were dead, killed by their leader who was a nasty drunk. Ill equipped, in Stalingrad some of the remaining officers remembered the sage advice of their executed comrades. “Play the map,” they said. But what did it mean? Some officers whined the advice was too vague - they were swiftly executed for not getting it, their flesh eaten by those who did. It meant getting the panzers out of the open field, making the Germans take Stalingrad one block at a time. It wouldn’t be fun for either side…but then again that wasn’t the point.

US Involvements

Civil War…no fun at all. The local women were pasty, churchgoing and resembled your sister and sometimes were. The landscape nothing new, some people fought a stone’s throw from their hometown. To die in Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Delaware had no romance to it. Without any real enticing distractions, the Union kept their eye on the ball and lost very little casualties. The South on the other hand dealt with things differently, they did not play the (in this insance boring) map, they fought the boredom instead of accepting it, they added their own flair, charges and moonshine had a lot to do with it, they thought it was a professional wrestling match…the result –they lost handidly.

But in Vietnam we see something completely different. Virtually a paradise - interesting jungle wildlife, helicopter pilots blasting Jimi Hendrix, a small box of laundry detergent could be bartered for 30 primo joints laced with opium, the women were slender, accommodating, desperate and did not resemble any one’s sister, the sunsets were beautiful and the firepower far exceeded what the locals had, to die in a place you couldn’t pronounce the name of was romantic…the US got understandably distracted and lost.

Look at rock band histories. Notice how the members of ones with boring, industrious names like Grand Funk Railroad and Aerosmith live past 72 and never get ED. The one’s with pie in the sky names like Shangri-La, Nirvana and Jefferson Starship end up committing suicide or being some bore at an AA meeting.

The proof is evident.
 
"Game Over Man, Game Over!"

I think the first acronyms were corporations. NBC etc? imagine that

Living in a facist state with people that march against their own healthcare and police killing people and most pro war is different then living in other locations.

It explains alot. In greece one teenager shot by police and its a riot for two weeks.
In the states we gun teenagers down all the time. About 7 a night.
During vietnam there were protests, demonstrations, etc
we have two wars now and ...nuth'n -

Fat, Facists, lowest IQ of any western nation, actually have the people march against their own healthcare and can't win a war against tribesmen after ten years. And no cool looking uniforms with skull and crossbones pins or anything.

it would be ok if it was like sow the ground with salt and plunder and kill and hahahah
but its not even that. its go over there and if you shoot someone you might get in trouble.

Which leads to this- just as many "strategy" posts have no intention of giving out strategy - so too many questioning posts have no intention of really caring about their bogus question. Can spot them a mile a way.

example "Are Unique Units Good" - or something like that. It is a fake question used to generate response - and they get it- from every lamebrain on the board trying to sound like they actually know something but failing to recognize deceit- yeah- thats who i listen to
These are never called Trools - (Trools? i like that better)

at any rate -your location , your time, your computer, - all have more bearing on the game and strategy then 500 threads by LMC or whomever.(Note the number of Acronym handles- i think in sales they go after certain types with certain models- a lexus "LS" and other nonsensical acronym models target...I forget who...it wasn't the rich- more like the liars or something.

I stumbled onto an image of a corporate guy with a rocket propelled grenade launcher in the creation and customization section - here is "corporate evil" by mechaerick
The goal of many smart people is to lock onto a corporate high paying job- insurance co. pay alot-
I really wish they were this cool tho
 

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Champ said:
Moscow, it’s the capital, logical enough. No, get the oil fields, wait no, Stalingrad, they’ll never suspect it…

Not of great interest, but the actual, or more likely reason, was because Hitler was obsessed with the name Stalin at that time. Indeed, a more strategical and logical choice was the oil fields and Moscow - The Russians could just keep on reinforcing Stalingrad with supplies and fresh troops via the river base the germans managed to take way too late - when it was too late.
 
As much as he may hate it, Troy is American. To anyone with a higher education (which is not inherently at odds with having a high IQ) or living abroad experience, the proof is evident.

John Lennon, who wanted to be American so badly he chewed gum and wore t-shirts with acronyms on them, said love is all you need or imagine or something like that and he was right.
 
Not of great interest, but the actual, or more likely reason, was because Hitler was obsessed with the name Stalin at that time. Indeed, a more strategical and logical choice was the oil fields and Moscow - The Russians could just keep on reinforcing Stalingrad with supplies and fresh troops via the river base the germans managed to take way too late - when it was too late.

Exactly. “If I take over the city that’s named after the opposition’s leader, then that means something. Or rather, it would be fun to conquer that city and rename it ‘Silly Mustache City Na Na Na Boo Boo’”

The Russians played the map. They took into account their neighbors childish impulses and renamed a city of not much significance to deter the Germans from taking more logical, sober, industrious, “boring” things like oil fields.

Like some 2-8 JV football squad full of Attacko fans who think it’s more about stealing the opponents mascot than a hearty 3 time a week “boring” weightlifting regiment, the Germans fell to the ruse.
 
"You are What You Eat"

"I'd rather have a better artifical intelligence then better graphics" i read on here once. Alot of others chimed in and the overwhelming response was yeah, me too.

Really? I think the graphics are pretty good, but i'd take better graphics over a better articifical intelligence anyday.

Here's a secret. Better (personalized) graphics will make you play better and use better strategy.

Since kids were kids i assume they liked to set up army guys, have wars, make up battles. Me and my brother would throw blankets on the floor and set up the japanese vs the french or whomever and we would have battles.
Fractal map in 3d i suppose.

Now, computers do it- but its the same exact thing.

You see, there is a drive in some gamers that begins with a picture- or image and usually unfolds into a narrative.
Its why the marines have recruiting posters.
(now that i think about it they should have a female soldier on a tank or something instead of a crew cut guy in his dress suit- they changed it to guys climbing ropes and stuff and say "be all that you can be" by joining a group and following orders from strangers and killing people i think)

At any rate- the point is this - work the graphics part of the game- add names to mountains, rivers, etc. Have some fun- and through this you will improve more then the souless crap advice about cottages and beakers.

Its called passion-it built the Taj Mahal, amongst other things. it is fraught with dissapointment, short life, and other pitfalls. Maybe i am alone, but it beats a diety player's walkthrough.

Below are two examples- i looked around for a typical example of a walkthrough screenshot- and created a like minded shot.
The second is another using a few simple mechanics- scrolling out you have some options one of which is "create a sign" to name things.
Instead of hitting a button that shows things you already know are there- you are using your imagination , making something yours instead of reacting to what is. I notice that people that get cancer can all of the sudden quit smoking when they swore they could never before. mortality, pain, your life- it keeps you sane
 

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Look at the way Troy posts his information – one or two lines at a time, like this.

Most of us are still writing paragraphs, habit. An appropriate one for a novel.

Why? By picking up a novel, the reader has agreed to invest a certain amount of time into reading, and wants the same commitment from the writer or he feels cheated.

On a forum, no such commitment was made. You need to keep the reader’s interest before something naked pops up in the corner, and we click to close, but “miss”, again.

Such is his understanding of strategy, another level. Not necessarily deep, insofar as he didn’t dig through the brain code to post numerical proof that he is correct. But helpful, practical, if you pick up on it. I will steal it.

I couldn’t agree more with his assessment of that “cottage loving” something or other poster who starts threads making fun of winning on a low level. I have never understood why everyone is so deferential to him. Did he pull all of your children out of a burning building or something?

If you like this guy, I think you may have a punitive conscience. You enjoy being punished. You were bullied in school. You tell on other people. You honk when somebody breaks a minor traffic rule. You believed them when they told you it was not OK to masturbate.

Stockholm syndrome.

Ditto for any other poster who puts you down for playing a certain way. I’m sorry that you are tired of reading the same questions over and over again, and you take this sarcasm and frustration out on the “n00b”. I guess you’re aware the world will explode if you don’t post your thoughts in every new thread.

Some posters suggest that attacko is “an elaborate joke” of some sort. Don’t think so. Look at Troy’s old posts from years ago (2003). He’s already showing the kind of thinking he posts now.

I suggest that calling it an “elaborate joke” is a convenient way for you to recruit other posters into your camp – the set of people who don’t understand what he is saying. We are all more comfortable when others around us have failed as well. So much so that we spend more time bringing others down to our level than trying to improve ourselves.

Of course I’d rather read that than this:
“Rather sad that this spammer has been allowed to deface this otherwise excellent forum for such a long time.”

Thank you for this gem. In fact I log into a forum at work because I want to read your emotional outbursts. See above.

It is refreshing to me to read posts that encourage creativity with the game, rather than script it for me.

It is disheartening to see others attack this ideal. Is it because you are incapable of having as much fun with the game as him, and you don’t want to be reminded of it?

Since I joined this forum, I’ve played exactly 2 games online. I played them a little bit better than my average at the time, better defined as (I got a higher score). They took me 3 times as long, and I think 12 or 15 people read my writeup. Worth it? Nope.

Regarding levels: they are like belts in a dojo. Are there some people who walk around pissing on the mats with their belt, marking their territory and trying to get you to respect them? Of course. They probably have an avatar of their belt on their facebook page, and tell everyone they know that they are a "ninja" or something, but can't tell you any more than that because of the "ninja code".

Are there some other guys who have a high belt that could teach you a few things, if you wish? Yup. Does their belt serve as a warning to you - probably best not to try that white belt move you learned today, because I already know it. Helpful information.

Levels - an optional indication of your minimum knowledge of the game. Don't put it in your signature if you don't want, but be prepared for the rash of "Have you specialized your cities" and "What's your BPT, GPT, I/E, REX, ETC" and any additional TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms). Thanks, I already know that move.

I need a screenshot. I made this trade because it made me laugh.
 

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Look at the way Troy posts his information – one or two lines at a time, like this.

Most of us are still writing paragraphs, habit. An appropriate one for a novel.

:confused: He've posted many paragraphs in that thread.
 
Personally, when I want to make a GPF (great people farm), I always look at the BFC OFC (of the city). If I AR (already researched) AH, Agr and Alpha, I look for 2 food resources. If I have CS, then I can CI (chain irrigate) tiles next to my GPF, which will help me generate GPP. Then I try to build a Library, but I TDB (typically don't bother) building MGB in my GPF.

GL can also BQB (be quite beneficial). You MAC (might also consider) using CS for more GP in your GPF.


Thanks!



It is true, playing Civ is a battle for the life and death of millions, you should do whatever is necessary to win, you can't afford to go for fun here. Dead generals will shout at you in your dreams.


But I will really start naming my valleys, rivers, mountain ranges in the game immediately.
 
"You are What You Eat"

...You see, there is a drive in some gamers that begins with a picture- or image and usually unfolds into a narrative.
....
At any rate- the point is this - work the graphics part of the game- add names to mountains, rivers, etc. Have some fun- and through this you will improve more then the souless crap advice about cottages and beakers.

Its called passion-it built the Taj Mahal, amongst other things. it is fraught with disappointment, short life, and other pitfalls. Maybe i am alone, but it beats a diety player's walkthrough.

He speaks the truth.

I only play this (and any other ) game just because of this, Difficulty levels, score- it is all lifeless and dry numbers. All is left is pleasure and emotions of the story I run in mind while building granaries and soldiers.

I salute you, Troyface for the most insightful post I ever read.
 
Thanks!



It is true, playing Civ is a battle for the life and death of millions, you should do whatever is necessary to win, you can't afford to go for fun here. Dead generals will shout at you in your dreams.


But I will really start naming my valleys, rivers, mountain ranges in the game immediately.

" play with the graphics" quote from troythe face


name things , ruin, here lies TROY, plain of 300 spartains , Custer's Hill,

" have some fun with the game" quote of hundreds:lol:
 
On Worshiping the Icon of an Iconoclast

You are not the first to be booed off by your own crowd. Even Jesus Christ didn't get to enjoy homecourt advantage. And I hear he was a nice fellow.

A cult following of a polemic poster who has writing game on a message board is fine. In fact, I am in the ranks. But a literal cult following? This is getting out of hand.

He speaks the truth.

I only play this (and any other ) game just because of this, Difficulty levels, score- it is all lifeless and dry numbers. All is left is pleasure and emotions of the story I run in mind while building granaries and soldiers.

I salute you, Troyface for the most insightful post I ever read.

Do not be fooled…nothing is boring…mold on bread if examined under a microscope and altered slightly can lead to pills that cure diseases or liquids that cause hallucinations…there are computer games where making enough cottages can lead to interstellar travel or nuclear holocaust thousands of years down the line. Some will tell you this is not interesting - question their motivations.
 
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