Austrian UHV

[Spirictum]

Now I'm finally ending my first successful game with Austria (my first attempt at 1.0).

I remember that austrian UHVs were different in previous versions (I think there was an UHV related to Defensive Pacts), and I think they should be changed again. Not all of them, just UHV3.

UHV3 Habsburg Domination: Have the Highest score in 1780 AD.

The Score Victory happens just 20 turns after Austrian UHV3, it makes the UHV quite the same of winning by score. It's hard to imagine otherwise, if you have the highest score in 1780, you'll have it in 1800 and win by score. In this game I've achieved highest score around 1500 AD and never lost this position. If you accomplished UHV1 (Conquer lots of provinces) and UHV2 (have 3 vassals), what's the difficulty of UHV3?

Defensive pacts are indeed a bad goal for an UHV: I've never got more then 2, and it seems that after 2 nobody else wants to make a DP with you. We could have something harder.

Of course in 2.0 we could have an UHV related to the Holy Roman Empire, but for now we could make this UHV something more challenging.

Thinking about it, 2 ideas popped up here:

UHV3: Make Vienna (or 1 city) achieve Legendary Culture at XYZ AD
or
UHV3: Have XXXX Culture at XYZ AD

People complained about UHVs lacking religious and cultural sorts. Well, for a civ with a cultural UB it seems more then appropriate. IMO my second UHV draft seems better then the first, as in my game I lack a single Legendary city (even building lots of belfries and cathedrals), but maybe I do lack because I didn't want to make a Legendary city. Playtesting will ensure this.

What do you guys think? I've listened to people complaining about UHVs being overall so militaristic and expansionist, that a cultural one maybe a good option.

 

[Spirictum]

Now I remember why I like the civs with early UHVs: The late game is so time-consuming and full of errors.

Since I reached 1700 AD I've had at least 5 errors that sent me to the desktop and one freezing error. I want to end this damn Austrian game but it keeps delaying the victory with these problems.

I hope I have the patience to keep going

 

[AbsintheRed]

Since I reached 1700 AD I've had at least 5 errors that sent me to the desktop and one freezing error.

You mean MAFs (Memory Allocation Fault)?

 

[Spirictum]

Not MAFs (thank god I changed to a 64-bit system so no MAFs anymore).

I don't know which error, it suddenly go to the desktop and say it suffered an error, then I cancel the analysis and restart the civ.

 

[simplicissimus]

What about a UHV "The city of music": settle x Great Artists by xy in Vienna (whatever seems realistic)! Could represent the acting of great composers like Vivaldi, Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven there!

Or another idea that just came to my mind: "The imperial court": something like "settle at least one of each different type of GPs in Vienna" or "settle x GPs in Vienna of 3 (or x) different types". Should represent the (or some) emperor´s ambition to assemble the most intelligent people of their time of all different siences or arts at their place.

 

[Spirictum]

Great ideas simplicissimus. This number could be big, if not the UHV will be really easy. My game is in 1750, by this time I've already used GPs to make 4 GAs - this mens 2 for the 1st, 3 for the 2nd, 4 for the 3rd and 5 for the 4th, totalizing 14 GPs just for this, I used some great engineers to make wonder but I didn't need to make corporations and now I have 2 GSch, 2 GEng and 1 GThe ( I would need another GArt + GMer that are easy to do because of Apprenticeship and + GSpy that I'll never do again, the last one being with encyclopedia tech).

Depending on the limit date we could adjust the number of Great People. Bulgaria doesn't mention this, but you'll need something between 4-7 GTheo to complete UHV2, so Austria could have a big number like this too.

 

[AbsintheRed]

This is more or less the prussian UHV in RFCE++
Not sure if I want to add it into this version, rather keep it for the prussian UHV in RFCE 2.0

 

[simplicissimus]

Would probably better fit in the thread for version 2.0 but with the information AbsintheRed gave I continue here:

Well, the Dutch one with the Great Merchants also fits in here. If a third civ with a similar goal isn´t too much for you I want to suggest to take the idea with "the city of music" with it´s Great Artist for Vienna and keep the "Enlightened ABSOLUTISM" (in the RFCE++ thread it is called "despotism" which I think is quite inappropiate as the term "despotism" was used by European powers for barbarian or "lesser" developed (at least from the colonial powers point of view) countries that were (planned to be) colonized - also as a justification) for Prussia but I would limit the GPs to:

-)Great Prophets: represents the religious tolerance; Prussia gave shelter to Jews, Huguenots, Austrian protestants and other religious minorities who were prosecuted in the neighbouring countries)
-)Great Scholars: Leibniz, Kant, Schopenhauer! Do I need to say more? Fits also to the UB!
-)Great Generals: to represent the impressive military success against seemingly superior enemies: Sweden 1675, Austria, France & Russia during the 7 years war e.g..
(-Great Spies/Diplomats: to make it, if necessary more difficult:
Those seem to me the most influential parts of Prussian Enlightened Absolutism.

I have to confess I like the idea of the Enlightened Absolutism for Prussia because Fredrick the Great is doubtless the outstanding protagonist of this form of rule but I think the Great Artist UHV for Vienna is also very suitable. Nonetheless I will make up my mind for other ideas.

P.S.: AbsintheRed, I was happy to read that you want to include the features from heavily bugged RFCE++ into RFCE 2.0! Thank you very much!

 

[AbsintheRed]

I like these suggestions very much
The Austrian music UHV especially sounds good, as a new music wonder will be added to the mod
So the UHV could be: build the JS Bach Cathedral (or whatever we call it), and settle 4-5 Great Artists in Vienna (or in your cities?)

 

[Spirictum]

I like these suggestions very much
The Austrian music UHV especially sounds good, as a new music wonder will be added to the mod
So the UHV could be: build the JS Bach Cathedral (or whatever we call it), and settle 4-5 Great Artists in Vienna (or in your cities?)

Sounds nice, but in terms of gameplay will be ridiculously easy. If the quest is all about culture, a cultural value should be the difficult part of it:

Build a wonder with Protestant Austria will be easy, you'll just have to focus on getting those FPs quickly and open the wonder early.

Settling Artists, you could increase this number to 10 and would still be easy: I've never focused on getting GPs (of course I chose Guilds + Apprenticeship combo, but only this, never did I change the specialists in any city to fulfill my goal) and in the end of the game (~1750, I still didn't finish) I produced 14 GPs just for GAges. Plus 2 engineers for wonders (when I still didn't have a strong Protestant Faith) and you can subtract 3 for the techs I acquired first (The scholar of Physics, the spy of Encyclopedia and the merchant of Economics - I think I didn't get the artist of Drama as I started with late Austria). Of course I spawned different GPs, but that's because I didn't focus. If I did (Infinite Artist due to Apprenticeship) I could have settled a lot more then 4-5 GArts by now.

If the limit year of it is severely reduced, that'll change things a lot. If it'll be still 1780, this number of GArts should be huge, or we could add to the same cultural quest a cultural value (for one city or the whole production of culture, like the food quest of the Kievans) to be achieved together with the rest.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Balancing the exact numbers (UHV date, GA numbers, etc) are a different question of course
I only talked about the general idea

 

[simplicissimus]

Wow, I never thought you´d like the idea that much! ! So, as I said, I thought about an alternative: if you´re going to implement the union system from RFCE++, what about an UHV for Austria that contains it. Like "achieve all possible unions"! It could also be used instead UHV2 with the vassals. It seems to me more historical accurate to Austria than vassalizationn (the Habsburgian marriage politic!)