Autumn of Nations

J.K. Stockholme

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AUTUMN OF NATIONS
a geopolitical roleplaying game for the 21st century

Welcome to Autumn of Nations, a geopolitical roleplaying game where players take on a handful of ideologically diverse peer powers at the dawn of the new millennium and make what they will of the world with dice rolls.

Rules
The manual for playing this game will be found in this Rules document.

Joining the Game
Should a player drop the game or another Great Power emerge through play, a slot will be open for another player to join the game.

Setting
From the rules:
It’s January 2001. In this timeline, communists seized power in both Russia and Germany in the aftermath of the First World War, forming a super-Soviet Union that ended up in-charge of most of Europe and much of Asia after a Second World War against fascism. In the United States endured an authoritarian takeover in the early twentieth century that concluded the American experiment in democracy and ushered in a racist quasi-fascist apartheid state that participated in the Second World War and then in a Cold War with the super-Soviet Union for the next half-century. That Cold War ended in 1989-1991 with the double collapse of apartheid America and communist Eurasia, creating dozens of new states out of the ruins of the two superpowers. A decade has passed since the Autumn of Nations and the new world disorder has emerged.

For the full timeline, check out the Timeline document. For non-player countries, check out the NPC Background document.

Roster of Great Powers/Players
  • Union of States - J.A.M.
  • India - Shadowbound
  • East Asia - NinjaCow64
  • Argentina - gay_Aleks
  • Babylon - Belgarion95
  • Europe - Kyzarc Fotjage
Orders
Please keep all orders in a single google doc shared with commenting powers with my email. Please keep orders to a under one page per action per turn, and have the latest orders at the top. Describing real-world parallels to what you are ordering that have Wikipedia articles the GM can read is very helpful. Here is an example orderset that players can use as a reference.

Players that do not submit orders for two turns in a row will be automatically dropped and their country open to other players to join.
 
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Idea #1

Country Profile: China or super-Japan
Government/State Ideology: Teal
(Revolutionary Environmentalism)

Country Description:

A federation of Japan, Pacific Islands and South East Asian Islands united in under a radical environmental revolutionary socialist ideology based on the idea of aggressively stopping/reversing climate change. I am working on the assumption that carbon emissions are higher due to the more intense Cold War and the United States giving even less of a poop about climate change than OTL. The threat of climate crisis was used as propaganda by the super-USSR throughout the region that this federation now exists in. They were largely successful but the ideological divergence caused by the unique material circumstances in this region has led them to be somewhat antagonistic with whatever the other Leftist major powers in the game will be. Government and ideology names will be thought of later.

The two major sources of stress facing the nation would be 1) climate crisis and ensuing natural disasters threatening to sink the majority of the nation 2) an extremely antagonistic regional power based in Australia.


Idea #1b

I think that many aspects of this idea could be ported to other regions under significant threat of climate change (such as India, Africa or South America). I think an island federation is the most poetic implementation though.

Idea #2

Country Profile: Post-Apartheid United States
Government/State Ideology: Tan (Academic Technocracy)

Country Description:

A Californian Republic of guided-democracy, guided by the "captains of industry" through semi-rigged elections (think the oligarchs of Russia, California would be the Russia analogue of Eastern Europe OTL post-Soviet collapse). The guided-democracy is justified by the government through propaganda based modified Platonic philosophy saying that the "direct democratic system" of the United States was what caused the apartheid tyranny. The government promises that a democracy guided by the captains of industry, who are analogous to philosopher kings due to them "succeeding" in the "meritocratic system" of capitalism will avoid the disasters that befell the United States of old.

California strongly influences what formerly was known as the United States through economic domination and its inheritance of much of the United States military due to the virtue of its size and strategic position. She keeps her major rivals in the continent weak by having them go at each other's throats and economically dominates them to keep her as a superpower.

The two major sources of stress facing the nation would be 1) rival states of similar economic power (Texas, Canada, New England, maybe a few others) 2) various insurgent groups across the continents who may or may not have access to WMDs that went missing during the United States' collapse.

Idea #3

Country Profile:
Super-Nigeria or Super-South Africa
Government/State Ideology: Pink or Red

Country Description:

A revolutionary South Africa based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism-Mandelaism. South African anti-apartheid groups and Nelson Mandela himself more fully embraced Communism due to the United States and the Soviet Union providing more overt support in South Africa OTL, turning it into the Vietnam War analogue of this timeline.

This is the idea I've put the least amount of thought into.
 
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Idea #1:

Country Profile: multi-national post-communist Europe [France, Benelux, Germany, Italy]

Government/Ideology: Market socialism w/ a one-party state.

Country Description:

Following the collapse of USSR and conflicts following it, Western European communists have managed to keep their hold on territories previously held by the USSR, a process that necessitated a deep reform and change of the economic planning. The one-party state remains in the face of the newly-christened European People's Communist Party which is an amalgamation of legacy parties like the PCF, KPD, PCI and the Benelux CPs. However, within each socialist republic, the respective national CP has still a great measure of control over internal matters, particularly, strong parties such as the PCF and KPD. Trade unions have regained during the tumultuous 90s a non-insignificant amount of power, and some even desire a greater emancipation from the EPCP.

Idea #2:

Country Profile: Super-Nigeria/South Africa

Government/Ideology: Revolutionary pan-nationalism & anti-colonialism.

Country Description:

Decolonization following WWII goes infinitely faster and the worst of neocolonialism is avoided. This is at the price, however, of Africa becoming the arena of Great Power struggles between the Soviet and American blocs at a pace quite different from ours. This fosters movements for the emancipation from the Soviets and Americans, to let the African lion roar on its four feet. The collapse of those two powers therefore engendered a quick consolidation of states mutually interested to not just maintain independence from a would-be revanchist European power, but to assert their own strength against any enemy. However, this consolidation is still very much on-going. What we have here is a loose confederation with mutual goals, but each member-state has great autonomy within its goings-on. Furthermore, while pan-African nationalism predominates, this often clashes with Islamism.

Idea #3:

Country Profile: Super-Argentina.

Government/Ideology: Academic technocracy.

Just like every continent, South America was embroiled into the Cold War. America and the USSR vowed to create their own regimes, to establish foothold and finally - to extract wealth, resources and most-importantly, knowledge, from South America. What Bolivar and San Martin fought to end, foreign rule, once more came back to the fore, with local compradors happily ruling on the behalf of their benefactors. South America was kept undeveloped, and many in Argentina and elsewhere realized that this was the thing: if you do not have the newest science, the newest production methods, the newest weapons, even, how could you remain independent? So when the Cold War ended with the dissolution of both states, the spirit of catching up, of developing up to where Europe and North America have reached - and then beyond - that was the animating spirit. Enveloping most of Latin America, the state is centralized with Argentine diktat, where all the best and brightest benefit to all.
 
Idea #1
North Sea Federation


Profile: Multi-National State, half in and half out of Europe

Ideology: Liberal Democracy

Description

Stuck between an America gone mad and a vast Communist wave, the remnants of liberal democracies of Europe banded together out of desperation. For many in Britain, Ireland, Canada and Scandinavia, the fear of American or Soviet encroachment encouraged those in power to pool their resources together. If they could stand together, perhaps they could maintain their sovereignity the face of overwhelming odds.

The North Sea Treaty, created in the 50s, was merely meant to reduce tariffs and to encourage mutual language learning to facilitate trade. Few predicted the behemoth that this bloc would grow into. Fear was a powerful tool, and soon subsequent treaties encouraged migration, military standards, deep economic ties and finally, a unitary governing body.

By the 1990s, the Treaty of Oslo was the final stroke. A federal government was formed in Oslo, with plans to make a planned capital in York in the decades to come. While autonomous, the governments of Ireland, Britain, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland and Canada banded together into a beacon of Liberalism, Free Trade and Democracy. What could do the two superpowers do to a dream of a Free Atlantic, of nations willing to stand with foreign brethren for a common ideal?

Then the two superpowers fell.

To say that the new Federation lost its purpose was an understatement. Now was a new era, one in which the existential threats which precipitated it's formation...were gone. She had outlived them.

What now?

Idea #2:
Arcadian Republic


Profile: Post-Apartheid United States

Ideology: Revolutionary Environmentalism

Description:

The United States was dead. A mockery of it's former self. Rebuilt in an image of bigotry, repression and exploitation. It's people were either tools or animals, and the land was polluted in the name of wealth for it's overlords.

The nightmare is over. The old regime is dead. The people of the former United States and annexed Canada found themselves in an anarchic state, ruled by regional leaders or worse; warlords. However, while the interior was chaotic, the Eastern seaboard was a different story. In the Northeast, New England was the base of a new America. A better one, a one actually committed to Jeffersonian Ideals (or so it says). The successor state stretches from the Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes, to New England, Pennsylvania, Virginia, New York state and the Great Lakes.

It is 2000, the new millennium. America is still a divided nation, but one of it's largest successor rules proudly from Philadelphia. Committed to ending the policies of Dead America, the name of America itself was striken away, replaced with a new poetic term: Arcadia.

Committed to egalitarianism and environmentalism, an intentional rejection of the ideals of old, the new government nonetheless has its issues. Integration of the formerly oppressed minorities of America has been rough; a huge income gap and a lack of political representation has hurt attempts to fully reintegrate them with the white population. America'a former allies have moved on decades ago, leaving Arcadia isolated on the diplomatic stage. Arcadia would have to leverage her developed lands and population to reassert herself onto the world stage.

(OOC: The North Sea Federation is my preferred choice, but I digress)
 
IDEA 1

Country Profile: post-apartheid United States

Government/Ideology: Pink: pink tide socialism, Bolivarianism, libertarian socialism, new left

Country Description: To some the collapse of the United States was a tragedy, the first experiment in liberal democracy collapsed in an instant. For many others, however, its collapse was a hard-fought struggle for survival. After decades of planning, organizing, coalition building, mutual aid, and building dual power the time was right and the working class of the United States rose up in defiance against their Capitalist, Fascist, Colonial oppressors! The Rainbow Coalition, a well-organized alliance between multiple different revolutionary groups led by the Black Panther Party, took the lead in the new revolution and slowly but surely established a new proletarian and plurinational government across the so-called "United States of America". The dream of freedom and equality in the United States died long before it did, but now the torch is passed to a new state, one which seeks to actually fulfill the promise of "Liberty and Justice for all".


IDEA 2

Country Profile: multi-national post-communist Europe

Government/Ideology: Grey: charismatic idiosyncratic personalist dictatorship (e.g. North Korea, Peronism)

Country Description: Francia was always a land of great men, Charlemange, Jeanne d'Arc, Friedrich der Große, Napoleon Bonaparte, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Philippe Pétain, Joseph Stalin, just to name a few. It is from this tradition that we take from today. Liberalism? Nationalism? Marxism? All are Fools ideologies meant to lead the great men of Francia away from the truth. That all men of Europe are Franks, that the Franks are strongest when united, and that a single leader is meant to unite the Franks! From the terror of Robespierre to the foolish reforms of Mikhail Gorbachev the Frank is weakened by weak leaders and weak ideologies. Hours after the collapse of the USSR more weak leaders attempted to loot the Frankish people and take what was rightfully theirs! But no more! Now we see a new Francia arise, under the guidance of a new glorious leader, a 21st Century Charlemange!

IDEA 3

Country Profile: multi-national state half in half out of Europe

Government/Ideology: Blue: liberal democracy or social democracy

Country Description: The Monarchy endures, and the monarchy will always endure. Regency, Reform, or Revolution, the monarchy endures. When the USSR established itself across the continent, the last few monarchies of Europe did what they had to do in order to endure. Britain, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Greece, banded together into a new federation to defend against the Bolshevik threat. When Benelux was invaded, their monarchs fled to the federation, when republicans overthrew the Italian republic the Savoyards were welcomed with open arms. Across the globe when monarchies were threatened with losing their rightful position, they joined the Federation. The Gulf monarchs, Malaysia, and Even some of India's old Princely States would rather be an equal in a Monarchist Federation than lose their power.



IDEA 4/5

Country Profile: China

Government/Ideology: Black: militarist ultranationalism or revolutionary pan-nationalism/anti-colonialism

Country Description:
  • Wholesome anti-Colonial China: While many feared that the United Front could not last, especially after Generalissimo Chiang Kai-Shek's Shanghai Massacre, the United Front was maintained. Careful coordination by the Revolutionary Kuomintang eventually lead to Chaing Kai-Shek being ousted from power. The Civil War ended peacefully, and the Communists and Nationalists came together to rebuild China. The Three Principles of the People; Nationalism, Democracy, and Social Welfare have been the guiding Ideology of China. For 50 years the Republic of China has been the unofficial leader of the non-aligned world, fighting to ensure independence and sovereignty for all peoples. Never again will another people suffer a century of humiliation like China once did.
  • Horrifying Ultranationalist China: For a hundred years China suffered humiliation. For a hundred years China suffered from unequal treaties. For a hundred years the upstart western barbarian dared to challenge China. Now the barbarians are weak, and we are strong. No longer will China be humiliated! No longer will China be exploited! No longer will China's primacy be challenged! The 21st century shall once again be China's Century! China will reclaim its rightful place as the ruler of All Under Heaven!
 
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Concept 1: France (OTL France plus some historically disputed claims obtained during the collapse of the Soviet Union plus Algeria (and other North African states?). The rest of French West Africa would be independent, but a close partner to France)
Country Profile: Multi-national state half in half out of Europe (e.g. British Commonwealth, Slavic Union)
Government/Ideology: Tan
Description: When the dual bombshell of the revolutions in Germany and Russia dropped, France remained as the only major continental European power to oppose the new communist order. However, truthfully, France herself barely avoided revolution, just being able to hold out slightly longer than their German enemies. So, as much as the reactionaries and anti-commmunists insisted on declaring a great crusade against Bolshevism, no actual movement was made on that front in the early 20th century. French democracy survived the interwar period, even if barely so (recovering Alsace-Lorraine at least meant that the debt of honor from 1870 was resolved favorably), and France focused more on mantaining its colonial possessions and preparing for what they thought was the inevitable war against the communist menace, in a more defensive stance, against the most powerful line of fortifications ever made.

The war never came.

Of course, there was still a war. But the war ended up being against the Latin Axis that formed: stopping the Italo-Iberic Axis that invaded the front that France did not expect an attack from. In a stroke of irony, it was actually the Soviet Union that France found itself on the same side of, in a temporary agreement that stopping the destabilizing presence of the Southern powers (which may or may not include a fascist-aligned Britain too? Not strictly necessary, but I figure it'd make the sides potentially more balanced because super Soviet Union is not really a fair fight for the Axis here. Especially with France being Allied too.). Luckily, during the war, France found itself reliably under the protection of the United States, which helped prevent a Soviet stab in the back. Ultimately, France was able to hold its own against the Axis, and even take possession of their African colonies post war.

Post-war, once again, it became exceedingly obvious that, as much as France would like to deal with the Soviet Union, they weren't in any real position to actually do anything to the multinational empire. So, once again, France dug into a defensive posture, waiting for the war that never happened. In the meantime, post-war agitation in Algeria and elsewhere started to rock the French colonial empire. The war with Japan made it exceedingly obvious that Indochina was too precarious to hold onto, and Paris decided to make an orderly retreat from that region to focus on what could be held. Let the Americans deal with that mess. Africa was the heart of the French Empire, and it was there that the French Empire would make its stand.

Except, even then, something as big as "French Africa" was still way too insurmountably big to hold onto everything, once the winds of revolution started brewing. Fighting to hold onto every colonial possession would just bleed France dry, in both lives and manpower. It was still better for France to just "give in" and work with the natives for self-rule. Maybe France could still influence their politics through softer means, in a Francophonic Union. Not Paris' ideal solution, but it gave them the room to focus on what truly mattered: Algeria.

Algeria was special. It wasn't a colony, it was a part of the metropole. Surrendering Algeria was to surrender what was seen as core French territory. That, simply speaking, would not do. So in North Africa, France made its stand, and fought against the revolutionary fervor sweeping the continent. The war was long, bloody, and stretched the French state to its limits. Generals couped the civilian government to keep France in Algeria. The concept of French democracy, of rule of law, withered away in the dying grasps to keep the empire. But, despite that, and thanks to a surprisingly large amount of aid from the United States (who, with their apartheid reigme, had a vested interest in proving the superiority of whites over blacks by keeping France in the war), France weathered the storm. The independence movement was shattered, and French rule was solidified in the territory.

French civilian life would never recover from the times of the crisis, however. The junta stepped down, in a Cincinnatus-esque display. The civilian government was, nominally, restored, with free elections (although with the pesky left radical parties banned). However, simply put, no one really had faith in a system that was so easily toppled in times of crisis. What did it matter who they voted for, if the whole house of cards could collapse in a moments notice? Political apathy became the mainstream in France, and where political society withered away, an unelected bureaucracy filled its place. After all, while the democratic instittuions were increasingly seen as illegitimate, the state as a whole still largely had the consent of the governed. Legitimacy transferred away from Parliament, and towards the Minstries, which continued to function largely intact even during the junta days.

The end result was that, while France was still nominally a democratic state, in practice the elections didn't matter. None of the legal parties seriously challenged the status quo, or even offered a vision beyond a Neo-Gaulist platform. French exceptionalism (especially including its place in Algeria and the rest of Western Africa), neoliberal economic policy, and the belief in a "rationally derived society" became the assumed norms of government, once again enforced largely through the unelected ministries. Policy is not made for the benefit of individuals, but for the benefit of France as a whole, which tend to follow easily identifiable metrics that could be observed. Fear of returning to the chaos of the Algerian Crisis largely kept the Overton Window constrained, and therefore the technocratic system (as it was increasingly being identified as) afloat.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, France declared a vindictive victory over Bolshevism. Against all odds, they held on. Not only that, but they were in a position, Paris claimed, to be better than ever before. With Central Europe divided into weak statelets much like the Early Modern period, who would oppose France in their claims to restore the lost territories of Napoleon? After all, it was only rational that all French-speaking lands should be a part of France. Multi-ethnic states like Belgium were a relic of a pre-nationalist environment. And if France was to truly prevent a threat against them, then of course, the left bank of the Rhine would also be suitably French. Nevermind if its ethnically German now. France can't allow a new German state to arise, if it can do so.

The collapse of the Americans, who helped prop up France during its hour of need, was likewise not sorely missed. France accepting American help at its time of need was convenient, but that was a one time exception that should never be replicated. France must stand on her two own feet, as otherwise the cruel world around her will consume her.

Concept 2: Ottoman Empire (OTL Turkey, Iraq, the Levant, and Arabia proper)
Country Profile: large Middle East state (e.g. Ottomans survive, successful Nasserist state, super-UAE)
Government/Ideology: Green EDIT: Stockholme has also indicated that White might work for this idea too.
Description: When the Ottoman Sultan first claimed the title of Caliph in the 1300s, it was a simple title of prestige. It was a way to proclaim independence from the Abbasids, with no real practical benefit to the title. Indeed, many of the lands the Ottomans would go to conquer in its early history were not even traditionally Muslim, who would see no benefit from claiming the authority of the successors of Muhammed. Indeed, it wasn't until two hundred years later, in the 1500s, where after the destruction of the Mameluke state, that the title would have real world implications, as the Ottomans started to administrate the heartlands of the Islamic world. Even then, it wasn't actually in the late 1700s until the Ottoman sultans actually started using the title of Caliph as a representation of their temporal authority. After their defeat to the Russians in the Russo-Turkish War, Sultan Abdul Hamid I established international recognition of his claims to represent Muslims in the newly independent Crimean state. While the treaty as a whole represented the beginning of the decline of the Ottoman state (only reversed in the mid 20th century), this small defiant acknowledgement of the Ottomans' claim to be the successors of Muhammad also laid the seeds for its eventual revival.

In World War 1, the Ottomans, identifying the British and French as being more likely to be long-term threats to the empire than the Germans, eventually decided to throw their hat into the ring of the Central Powers. Acting upon the authority of their title of Sultan, the Ottomans declared not just war, but jihad against the Entente, seeking to inspire the Muslim populations of their respective empires to rise up in defiance. This sort of pan-Muslim war against the Entente never fully materialized, not in the way that the Ottomans intended, but it did shore up their support in the non-Turkish, Muslim population of the Empire.

Of all the major Central Powers, the Ottomans could be said to have been doing the best throughout the war. In the Caucasus, it outlasted the Russian Empire, a reversal of its fate from the Russo-Turkish Empire. The major Western Entente offensive against them, Gallipoli, failed entirely in its objectives. The Ottomans were keeping Bulgaria in the war, preventing Constantinople itself from being threatened. Then the German Revolution started. Almost immediately, the entire face of the war changed on itself. The main Central Power was effectively destroyed. Austria-Hungary, which was already being propped up by the Germans as-is, completely collasped on itself too. Bulgaria, the shield that protected the Ottomans from the Balkan Entente, was ready to bow out as well too. The Ottomans were truly and utterly alone.

There, however, was one hope left. Stoke fears into the British and French delegates that containing the revolution in Germany and Russia was more important than prosecuting war against the Sublime Porte. Victory was impossible, as this stage, but perhaps the Ottomans could still get out of this largely intact. The British, unsure of their position (and OTL surprised in the Ottomans not calling their bluff and accepting terms as-is), largely agreed to abandon most of their goals in the Middle East in return for safe transit in the Bosporus to assist their White allies in the Russian Civil War. With the British out, the French would shortly follow.

The Ottoman Empire survived. Barely.

The fighting, of course, didn't stop immediately. The Ottomans were still involved in the Caucasus Front of the Russian Civil War, supporting the Muslim Azerbaijanis against their Christian opponents. The Balkans Entente, especially Greece, did not immediately sue for peace, but continued the war to press their claims on Bulgaria and Turkey. The Arab Revolt was still ongoing, and having reached Aleppo, was effectively in control of the non-Turkish parts of the Empire. Things were not looking good, but as long as the Ottomans looked like they were helping against the fight against communism, these smaller threats could be overcome.... eventually.

But for now, the Sick Man of Europe was still sick. The Empire, whilst avoiding bursting apart, was at its seams. The Three Pashas which had led the Empire since the beginning of the war were discredited for almost leading it to its ruin, especially as word about what happened in Armenia started to come out. Facing massive public outrage, the Sultan purged the Committee of Union and Progress from all levels of the Sublime Porte's government, calling for new elections. Whilst nominally interested in restoring the pre-war constitution, the crisis in Arabia made such an election on the face of it impossible, due to the occupation of half the empire. Instead, those within the Army opposed to the Three Pashas would form an emergency, unelected government, to ride out the crisis.

With both Ottomanism and Turkish Nationalism discredited by the pre-war and post-war consensus, respectively, the question became of how to justify the continued war in Arabia, and of the Ottoman state itself. However, just as it was in the 1700s, the answer laid in a dormant title: The Caliphate. How does one rule over a large, multi-ethnic empire? By emphasizing the religious unity of the Sublime Porte. After all, with the Balkans and Armenia out of the empire, most of the non-Muslim areas of the Empire have already left (Not all, of course, there still remained other Christian minorities, and the Druze, and the growing Zionist movement in Palestine. Not to mention the Shi'ites in Iraq, which aren't exactly compatible with the type of Islam that the Ottomans practice). Not only that, but by presenting themselves as the defenders of Mecca and Medina to the Muslim world, and painting the nationalist Arabs as being polluted by Western ideology, it presented a form of legitimacy for their reconquest of the peninsula.

However, it was not until after the Second World War (which the Ottoman Empire largely stayed out of, not particularly enthralled with the notion of assisting the Soviet Union nor the aggressively Christian Axis Powers, although it would eventually come to the Allied side by the end of the war, when it became clear which way the chips fell) that the Ottoman Empire would re-enter the world of international politics as a great power once again. With the Arab Wars, as they became known, largely settled in the Ottoman favor (although the interior of the Arabian Peninsula would not see pacification for a few more decades), the Sublime Porte started to see lasting stability again. The beginning of the exploitation of its oil reserves, the largest in the world, also served as a boon to enwealthen the Ottoman state, although Constantinople also knew it painted an attractive target on its back with the Soviet Union.

As a result, the Ottoman Empire, whilst preferring to remain neutral, found itself closer to the American orbit than the Soviet during the Cold War. However, this is not to say that the Ottomans were firmly supportive of the American system. Indeed, as the Ottoman Sultan started to more and more embrace the legitimacy of the title of Caliph, the Ottomans also embraced the duties set about in it. And, in the wake of the growing independence movements in Africa and in South(east) Asia, that took the form of supporting Muslim insurgents against the western powers. Of course, the Ottomans wouldn't get themselves involved in these conflicts directly, but they would send guns, advisors, and other war material to assist in these independence movements. The Caliph, Constantinople claimed, would protect their own; all the mujaheddin had to do was ask for help.

Through this aid, the Ottomans were finally, for the first time since the 1600s, expanding their influence. New states were carved out, independent from the Ottoman Empire, but within its cultural and political orbit. These states would also emphasize their Islamic nature (although tended to be more republican in nature compared to the Ottomans, whose attachment to the medieval world was an aberration even in their own bloc). The Ottoman program of supporting Islamic independence movements would often put itself at ends with not only the Soviet Union, but oftentimes the Americans, who would prefer more secular organizations.

After the 1990s, the main policy goal of the Ottoman Empire has been expanding its influence to former Soviet Central Asia. These newly independent states are considered part of the House of Islam, and therefore the Caliph has an obligation to support their newly found independence from any attempts of Bolshevik revanchism. The collapse of America is also seen as an opportunity to expand influence into Africa and South(east) Asia, albeit to a much smaller degree than the Soviet collapse.

Concept 3: Patria Grande (Current core members are OTL Argentina, Uruguay, and Paraguay (with its disputed territories with Brazil restored). Bolivia and Chile are closely aligned, and stretch goals, but may possibly not be full members of the Union as of 2001.)
Country Profile: super-Brazil or super-Argentina
Government/Ideology: Black
Description: When the Libertadores fought against the Spanish Empire for the independence of the New World against the old, no one quite knew exactly how Latin America would look post-independence. Bolivar, the greatest of the Libertadores, had a dream of a unified South America, one that stretched from modern day Panama down south to Argentina. This dream would lead to a series of rebellions, as an entire continent rose up in unison, and Spain being all but evicted from mainland America. However, it simultaneously showed how utterly impossible a unified government would be. The continent was simply too large, too divided by remote geography, and too diverse in culture and socioeconomic status for a nation the scope that was in Bolivar's mind. Bolivar's attempt to keep Colombia (as he referred to his pan-Hispanic state) together ironically tended to only increase support for independence, and by his death, the whole project had largely fallen apart. Colombia still exists, legally, but it is a rump state, just simply one nationality among many.

One of the other South American nations to come out of this process was Argentina. Argentina, much like Colombia, was originally larger, a legal successor to the Spanish Viceroyalty of La Plata. Indeed, La Plata is still recognized as one of Argentina's names in its constitution, albeit one that is not used outside of the document. Like Colombia, its main Libertador, Jose de San Martin, also had aspirations of a pan Hispanic government, an ambitious model known as the Inca Plan. Much like Bolivar's Colombia, the Inca Plan was abandoned due to the political realities of the early 1800s making such a government (a monarchy, in this case, with a native Incan on the throne) unfeasible. Argentina instead became a republic, like its sister nations, and for an entire century, that represented the end of Argentinian aspirations for a pan-Hispanic state.

It would not be until the 1920s when discussions about federation started to take hold in Argentina. In 1922, socialist writer Manuel Ugarte first coined the term "Patria Grande" -- the Great Fatherland-- a name for the nationhood of Hispanic America as a whole. The right also had a similar concept, Hispanidad, which referred to the unity of not just Latin American cultures, but also of Spain proper. Both of these terms reached for the same core idea: the idea that Argentina is not just Argentinian, but part of a greater whole, a much larger national identity.

Of course, the origins of a greater Hispanic identity didn't mean they instantly popular in that decade. Other issues took the forefront of the nation's attention. Most of these was the attempted coup of 1930. Up to this point, Argentina's government was one of the most stable in the continent, having enjoyed continuous democratic rule since the 1850s. Wealthy and prosperous, especially during the 1920s, the nation was becoming the leading power of South America. That is, until the Great Depression reared its ugly head. Argentina's economy, once the soaring tiger of the region, crashed immediately, and an unemployment crisis threatened to tear the country apart. The once popular liberal President Hipólito Yrigoyen was seen as out of touch, especially by the growing fascist Nacionalismo movement. Talks with the military led to a planned coup to overthrow the democratic government, one that would establish a government that would more readily address the crisis and prevent the nation's slide towards unfettered liberalism.

However, shortly before the coup, the plot was uncovered. Communication was left unsecured, some people grew cold feet, and the whole thing fell apart. Elements of the army that were supportive of the coup were purged, and Argentinian democracy survived. Yrigoven would be out by the next election, replaced with the conservative opposition. In the meantime, political stability would slowly return to Argentina as the aborted coup served as a wake up call that things needed to change before it got worse.

Argentina's neighbor, Brazil, didn't escape the same fate. The Brazillian government, far more used to the concept of coups and unstable transfers of power, found itself on the tightropes of a political battle between the far left and the far right. In 1934 President Vargas attempted to shift his support base from labor unions to the far right Integralist movement. However, during the chaos of the quasi-civil war, an assassin took out Vargas. To this day, no one is certain who took him out. Saldago, who took power shortly afterwards, blamed the assassination on the communists, but modern evidence indicates that it might have been the Integralists themselves who orchestrated the assassination as an attempt to seek power. Regardless of who did it, the end result was that Brazil was under the effective control of the Integralists, who modeled their new state off of European fascism, and closely aligned their state with the Axis.

As Europe was eventually plunged into war, Brazil sought its sights on Uruguay. Once part of Brazil, Uruguay's independence was seen as a slight towards Brazil. Even if the Cisplatine War was over a hundred years ago, it represented a core territory of the Brazillian state, and that was cause enough to relitigate the conflict. Waiting until it was believed the world was too distracted with the fight against global fascism, Brazil would eventually invade Uruguay in the early 40s. This would start what would eventually be known as the South American front of World War II, as Argentina moved in to support the independence of the region, much as it did a hundred years ago. Paraguay would also eventually join the Argentinian coalition, partially in fear that they'd be next after Uruguay, and partially to avenge its losses after the War of the Triple Alliance.

While the South American Front was perhaps the least dramatic front of WW2, it still represented the deadliest conflict fought in South America. Brazil, having chosen to initiate the war, was at first better prepared for the conflict. Both Uruguay and Paraguay were overrun, and Brazilian troops pushed into Argentina proper. However, Argentina had one advantage Brazil did not have: Lend-Lease. Due to Brazil's friendliness with the Axis Powers, Argentina in turn appealed to the Allies, who saw no reason not support the country. And with effective Allied control of the seas, it was Argentina that was able to get equipment and even supporting divisions shipped to their front. When it became clear that Brazil couldn't get the killing blow on Argentina, the war effort fell apart completely. Once Argentinian troops were entering Brazilian territory, and the begginings of an Anglo-American invasion of the north were being mustered, everyone in Rio knew the war was lost. A coup overthrew Salgado, and the remaining intergralists either died in futile last stands, or eventually fled into the Amazon interior, promising to wage an insurgency against whatever foreign puppet state gets established.

It was the wake of the post-war proceedings in which the groundwork of the Patria Grande was finally sown. The destruction caused by industrial fighting, and the eventual triumph of the Allies, led to an increased feeling of unity among the nations of the Southern Cone. So, when Argentina proposed a custom union between the three states, it was readily accepted. Of course, the continued occupation of Argentinian troops in the country may have also played a role in their decision to accept, but water under the bridge. This custom union would eventually evolve throughout the Cold War, eventually expanding to include Bolivia and Chile, along with dealing with issues beyond tariffs and common trade policies.

Indeed, the ideological struggles of the Cold War made the issues of Pan-Hispanicism more pronounced. The United States has always had an awful history of intervening into the affairs of its Southern members. While its support against Brazil was sorely appreciated, its attempts to further interfere into the affairs of the region post-war were less so. In particular, its racism against non-WASPs was seen by many as horrific. Even to the Argentinian right, Catholicism taught the spiritual equality of all humans; the apartheid system that the United States demanded from them was simply an affront to human dignity. This was not a view uncommon across all of Hispanic America, which largely rejected the growing apartheid nature of the United States. Furthermore, especially in Argentina, the economic interests of South America and the United States simply did not meet eye to eye. The United States wanted to enact a form of neocolonialism, reducing the region to raw resource dumps for American corporations to extract wealth from.

The Soviet Union wasn't much better. Whilst the United States represented the excesses of mammon and hatred, the Soviet Union represented the path to hell paved with good intentions. The communist system was as totalitarian as it was atheistic, benefiting the elite privileged few at the top of the party at the expense of society as a whole. Providing for the workers was a noble goal, in theory, but in practice all it led to was repression of human rights.

No, if South America was to survive, it had to look internally. Something that wasn't just the American or the Soviet system. And that is when interest in the old attempts at unifying South America got another look over culturally. It was the perfect solution. The United States was strong because all the Anglo-American colonies federated together, while the Spanish colonies fractured. However, if one were to reverse the trend, then Spanish-America would easily dwarf Anglo-America. And while no one would seriously claim an Argentinian was the same as a Colombian (or even Mexican, as interest also arose to a potential state that included former New Spain), they were more similar than different. They shared a common language, a common faith, a common struggle for independence, a common history, etc. The geographical barriers that seemed insurmountably large a hundred years could be conquered with recent advances in infrastructure and telecommunication. It was possible, and even, desirable, to try again.

From there, the Patria Grande movement took hold in initially Argentina, becoming one of the prevalent ideologies of the country. Based around Christian Democracy, it could best be described as socially conservative, but economically liberal. Tying itself to the contemporary movement of liberation theology, it imagines a world where the entirety of the Spanish New World is organized together into one state (ideally, from Buenos Aires). This state would be based on traditional Catholic values, considering the faith the cornerstone of a moral society. The twin vipers of free market capitalism and socialism would both be repudiated for a mixed economic system, one in which the poor received the "preferential option". Excess materialism, either from the left or the right, would be repituded at every opportunity.

The Patria Grande movement would eventually spread across the entire Hispanic American sphere, although it remained the most popular in the Southern Cone. There, the custom union that Argentina set up eventually evolved into an EU-like organization. However, ironically enough, it was the collapse of the United States (and possibly the subsequent formalization of the North Seas Federation, if that sign up is accepted?) that encouraged talks of outright federation. Seeing how low the post-collapse United States went served as further evidence that the lack of Hispanic unity is what held the Hispanidad back. Plus, the lack of a functioning US also made others hopeful that a federation could actually work, as Washington couldn't try to muck it up. Indeed, the door was open to push unification on the rest of South America, if not more...
 
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Edit: withdrawing my application. I dont think I can do this game justice in terms of time and energy, especially since you are doing only 6 or 7 players so will need a really active engaged core. I'll hopefully follow along and if you end up opening the game to additional players with smaller roles, I'll join then.
 
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Idea one

The Republic of China

Country Profile:
Liberalized Remnant Republic of China (Basically all of China south of the Yangtze)

Government/Ideology: Blue: recently liberalized federal democracy, with a still strong militarist streak

Country Description: While somewhere communists prevailed, in other places they were crushed. The KMTs RoC once ruled all of China, but a humiliating peace deal with Japanese crippled the young and proud nation. With the northern half lost, with Nanjing a divided city and with the Capital in Guangdong, they had to rebuild. And rebuild they did, with American help the past was left behind and Industry, progress and wealth came to the people of China. And while the Rule of the KMT was harsh, once it has solidified, once the wealth had been made, it softened. A generation of those who grew up in peace replaced those who knew only war and by 1989, the first truly free elections were held in Free CHina. Since then the KMT, the Federalists and the Liberal Front of China fight in the democratic arena, for the support of their increasingly progressive and free people.

Idea two

The United Kingdom of Arabia

Country Profile White:
Semi-Constitutional Hashemite Kingdom ( Arabia, Sunni part of Iraq, Syria, Palestinia, Lebanon, Egypt and Sudan)

Country Description: Faith and loyalty are what saved Arabia from the horrors of Marxism, what liberated it from the Rule of the Colonizers. United under the house of Hasemite, Arabia came out of the Great War united and free. The wise guidance of the Kings restored the splendor of Islam, united all of Arabia. Even the Kings of Egypt and Sudan could no resist, joined their house with that of the Hasemites, united the people. Guided by the King, protected by his loyal soldiers, the people of Arabia are free to enjoy the fruits of their labour and the wealth of their land. The Suez and Oil, they bring wealth to their people, the people who will guard the Holy City, so that all may find god in either of the three Holiest Cities of Man.

Idea Three

Socialist Union of Free Africa (WIP)

Country Profile Pink: Socialist Federation of african Nations in East Africa (From Ethiopia down to Mozambique)
 
Idea #1:

Country Profile: post-apartheid United States

Government/Ideology: Green: revolutionary theocracy (e.g. Islamic Republic of Iran)

Country Description:

In the 1980s, America was bankrupt. Fiscally, intellectually, morally. Gerontocratic leadership, racial tensions, and economic stagnation were all symptoms of a nation and people that had turned from the word of God. In the late 1980s the architecture of repression collapsed and the authority of the United States government was challenged by heavily armed militias and secessionist groups. The latter established independent nations in New England and the Pacific Coast, the former, under the broad leadership of charismatic evangelist Pat Robertson, overthrew the United States government and established a Christian theocracy. Robertson, who believes that God speaks directly to him and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is imminent, now controls one of the world's largest economies and nuclear arsenals.

Longer version

Idea #2:

Country Profile: China

Government/Ideology: White: absolute monarch (e.g. Saudi Arabia, UAE) or regressed constitutional monarchy

Country Description:

Wu Peifu emerged victorious from the chaos of the warlord era and establishes a new Chinese government, one he legitimized through proclaiming the Jian Empire, with himself as the first Emperor. The Jian survived Wu Peifu's death, enduring the Second World War under a military dictatorship (the Second Assemblage of Military Talent). Western investment and capital flowed into the country over the next fifty years, propelling the nation to upper middle income status decades ahead of OTL, and China assumes a semblance of a liberal constitutional monarchy. But the chaos of the American collapse disrupts supply chains, sparking social instability and economic recession, and a military coup (the Fourth Assemblage of Military Talent) toppled the government once again and established a royalist dictatorship, stoking nationalist sentiment and chauvinism. The Jian are now an imperialist power looking to distract from domestic political issues through expansionism.

Idea #3:

Country Profile: India

Government/Ideology: Red: market socialism with a communist party-state (e.g. PRC)

Country Description: India's independence was neither peaceful nor organized: Britain tried to hold on for too long, and then it tried to be too involved in the establishment of the post-colonial order. Nationalist and revolutionary groups fought the post-colonial government and native monarchies, and post-colonial India was divided into two: the northern Democratic Socialist Republic of India and the southern Republic of India. Both developed separately over the decades: investment and resources poured in from the backing superpowers and two more wars were fought in the 60s. By the 70s, tensions between the totalitarian Soviet Union and agrarian DSRI, along with a feeling of betrayal following insufficient Soviet backing in their wars with the south, would lead to an Indo-Soviet Split. This split was parallel with a lasting peace treaty and mutual recognition with the South, one that eventually led to rapprochement with the United States and a degree of western investment. This separation was hard on the North, forcing it to develop domestic supply chains and military industry, but paid dividends when the Soviet Union collapsed as its own self-sufficiency spared it from the chaos of the 90s. Indeed, when riots and a disputed election gripped South India, DSRI troops were welcomed as liberators by the southerners, ending half a century of political division and the unification of the Indian sub-continent under a red flag. India is now a power in its own right, one looking to reconstitute international communism under its own banner.
 
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Idea 1.1:
Country Profile: Large Middle East state (e.g. Ottomans survive, successful Nasserist state, super-UAE)
Government/State Ideology: Blue; liberal democracy or social democracy
Country Description:
Leaders like Mohammad Mosaddegh nationalize most extraction and non artisanal production, after a much larger Iran Crisis of 1946 (Soviets are larger so this is bigger too, now called the Middle East Crisis) unite support across the "middle east" to throw off the imperially supported splinter/proxy nations. Leads to the ability to throw off foreign influences like the 1953 Iranian Coup. That event still happens and leads to Iran being the figurehead against foreign influence and main mover and shaker of the now more or less democratic middle east. Freedom of elections is a major problem in most of the member states of the new United Middle East.

Idea 1.2:
Country Profile: Large Middle East state (e.g. Ottomans survive, successful Nasserist state, super-UAE)
Government/State Ideology: White; absolute monarch (e.g. Saudi Arabia, UAE) or regressed constitutional monarchy
Country Description:
Timeline is more similar to our own, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi foregoes the White Revolution's internal elements in favor of a highly effective expansionary war leading to greatly enlarged official borders. Mostly hands-off approach to incorporated nations except for using a much expanded and funded SAVAK to suppress dissent against Iranian dominion. Oil, Metals, and other natural resources are tithed as tribute to the Shah's Iran and a massive buildup of forces leads many to expect a new war of expansion, despite growing tensions within the state of Iran.

Idea 2:
Country Profile: post-apartheid United States
Government/State Ideology: Pink; pink tide socialism, Bolivarianism, libertarian socialism, new left
Country Description:
Collapse of a united US authority leads to widespread panic and disorganization. Most communities would have been entirely able to keep functioning as they always have, were it not for the corporate pullouts and monetary evacuations leading to a complete collapse of the US Dollar's worth and most jobs are ripped out from under people. Only not for profit organizations and NGOs survive effectively, and most band together and network amongst each other to support the struggling public. Works efficiently at eliminating homelessness (or at least ensuring former squatter's safety) and ending the worst of the hungers. Despite a lack of complete alleviation of suffering within borders, the now called Unified Humanitarian America's main politicians and leaders have come under the belief that only a united world can truly end suffering. Thus starts a conquest of minds, hearts, and arms to spread their influence across the world in support of eliminating basic human needs. Social issues like national identity and race take a major blow, leading to massive civil stress within the UHA.
 
Thanks for the great submissions! As per the first post, I'll be asking people questions to understand proposals or make sure they fulfill criteria.

Feel free to chat with me over Discord or in CFC re: these questions.

In order of posting:

@gay_Aleks
rump Soviets: no new comments, we've talked about this plenty on discord
pan-African country: is this country a super-Nigeria, a super-South Africa, or something else? it sounds like the state's origins are in the 1940s and 1950s, did the state fight a revolutionary war to gain independence or did it simply decolonize peacefully?
Argentine technocracy: let me know your thoughts on the last comments I made over Discord re: going the cientifico route, and whether the academics in-charge are Peronist left-posturing or Chicago boys neoliberals

@Butteryicarus
North Sea Federation: this idea excellently fills the half-in-Europe profile. a few questions a) is there a way to include countries not in the North Atlantic in the federation? b) what is the ideological vision of this state? would it be to unite the world in a single parliamentary super-state, or to install democracies through regime change, or something else? and c) a little confused about the timeline, you wrote that the federal treaty signs in the 1990s, but the two-power collapse happens 1989-1991; perhaps it would make more sense for the federation to kick off in the 1980s or even earlier?
Arcadia: what events in American history could have happened to produce a revolutionary environmentalist regime in northeast USA/Canada? were the Great Lakes ruined? were there vastly more environmental concerns? were the 1960s hippies oppressed by the state, leading to radicalization by Rachel Carson's Silent Spring?

@Terran Empress
Rainbow Republic: this is great! we've chatted on Discord so you've got my other thoughts
Francia: there's something interesting here between adulation for Great Men and conflating all ethnicities of Europe but putting French first; questions: a) could you make this state cover more of Europe? I'd feel better about covering the Europe profile if you had a Franco-Germany or a Franco-Italy or had a post-Soviet civil conflict end with France owning a lot more territories than OTL borders, and b) is there a French-based ideology historically that you're basing this off of or is there one you could base it off of that operated in the 1990s/2000s? alternatively, what did you think of that Discord convo where I brought up "Europeanism"?
global British-UAE: this is also great! appreciate that this state covers south Asia via princely states, so that you're actually helping me cover two country profiles. sounds like the ideological stretch goal of this state would be incorporating even more countries into a giant global super-democracy, is that right?

@Omega124
France & West Africa: questions a) could this state encompass more of Europe to cover that geopolitical gap?, and b) what are the sorts of stretch ideological goals of rationalist Gaullism? does a rationlist Gaullist state do away with parliament and supplant it for some other mechanics of state?
Ottoman Caliphate: a) what's your thinking on how the Ottomans survived WW1 with territories intact? b) how do you imagine the caliphate being messianic and totalizing? should I imagine it as like revolutionary Iran but sub democracy for monarchy? is there a ruling elite who are obsessed with the extension of Islam around the world?

@Immaculate
Eagerly awaiting your ASEAN-south China idea

@tobiisagoodboy
RoC: a) do you think that the Japanese controlled northern part of China would, in the 1989-1991 period, reunify with southern China? b) if the ideology is democracy, what are the messianic or global elements?
super Hashemites: a) how did the Middle East kingdoms unify? you make it sound like they were unified already by 1919, is that the case? b) should I imagine your state as being a bit like Saudi Arabia, but very large? what are the messianic qualities of this state?

@Shadowbound
theocratic America: this is great! eager to hear about the Dominionist angle you mentioned on Discord
Jian Empire: this is great! I appreciate the twists and turns from civil war to military dictatorship to emerging democracy to monarchy, those answer all the questions I'd have for this signup
Red India: what sort of communists are in-charge? did red India invent its own Maoism and then switch to its own Dengism?

@J.A.M.
blue/white Irans: are these Irans just regular Iran-sized? is there a historically plausible way to make them much larger territorially?
humanitarian America: have you given thought to my comments on Discord about sharpening the humanitarian ideology by looking to Peter Singer or contemporary effective altruism as potential models?
 
@Shadowbound
theocratic America: this is great! eager to hear about the Dominionist angle you mentioned on Discord
Jian Empire: this is great! I appreciate the twists and turns from civil war to military dictatorship to emerging democracy to monarchy, those answer all the questions I'd have for this signup
Red India: what sort of communists are in-charge? did red India invent its own Maoism and then switch to its own Dengism?

I added some detail: Agrarian, like Maoism, but lacking the cult of personality. The "Dengist" transition was more a result of the Indo-Soviet split forcing it to balance between East and West, opening up to some degree of western investment and transitioning to a state capitalist model to compensate for the loss of Soviet support. As I briefly mentioned on discord, it is as much anti-imperialist as communist; indeed, they ditched their Soviet alignment when they began to perceive it as a new form of imperialism. It's not ideologically bankrupt quite yet, despite the market transition, but it's not super defined either: there's a lot of ideological gymnastics that have not yet fully reconciled all the different elements of their economy and politics together beyond "it's working". The core element is they've adopted elements of capitalism on the way to true communism, but they're struggling to reconcile the ongoing industrialization with their agrarian roots, or draw a line between their efforts at international liberation and Soviet or American neo-imperialism.
 
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@Butteryicarus
@Terran Empress
Rainbow Republic: this is great! we've chatted on Discord so you've got my other thoughts
Francia: there's something interesting here between adulation for Great Men and conflating all ethnicities of Europe but putting French first; questions: a) could you make this state cover more of Europe? I'd feel better about covering the Europe profile if you had a Franco-Germany or a Franco-Italy or had a post-Soviet civil conflict end with France owning a lot more territories than OTL borders, and b) is there a French-based ideology historically that you're basing this off of or is there one you could base it off of that operated in the 1990s/2000s? alternatively, what did you think of that Discord convo where I brought up "Europeanism"?
global British-UAE: this is also great! appreciate that this state covers south Asia via princely states, so that you're actually helping me cover two country profiles. sounds like the ideological stretch goal of this state would be incorporating even more countries into a giant global super-democracy, is that right?

When I say Francia, I mean Charlemange's Empire, OTL modern France, the Benelux, Germany, Italy, and Austria at the least. With potential reaching for like Spain, Poland, Russia, or even Georgia. Effectively it's using the term "Frank" to mean anyone from (western) Europe, much like how medieval Persians and Arabs would call basically anyone from western Europe a "Frank" - see Frangistan. As far as I'm aware there isn't a French-based ideology I'm basing this off of, my thought was that this would have been a sort of seat of the pants new ideological formation to justify a strongman charismatic idiosyncratic personalist dictatorship, with a (un)healthy amount of influence from both Sorellianism and Maurrassisme, basically Cercle Proudhon with an extra emphasis on "great man theory of history".

As for the global British-UAE the goal would be to incorporate more countries into the giant global super-constituional monarchy. I'm not sure there would be many republics that would want to join, and not every country has a pretender that could be established. However, it would be more than happy to bring in say Thailand or Cambodia, or even Japan into its monarchist union.
 
pan-African country: is this country a super-Nigeria, a super-South Africa, or something else? it sounds like the state's origins are in the 1940s and 1950s, did the state fight a revolutionary war to gain independence or did it simply decolonize peacefully?

I was thinking more along the lines of super-Nigeria, yes. I was thinking that there was likely one that took advantage of colonial powers being engaged in WWII [in whatever form it took] and had broad unity of Franco/Anglophone West Africa. Perhaps backed by both the USSR and the U.S [not mentioning that fact to the other, naturally] who were eager to weaken the former European colonial powers and increase their influence at their expense. So, for a moment, there was a strong, united movement, but that was sundered apart during the Cold War, perhaps? So the entirety of the Cold War period, until the mid-80s, where I think the signs of U.S/USSR weakness were growing clear, that a real, unified polity began to take shape - then from 1989 to 2001 that process rapidly accelerated but isn't finalized at all yet.

Argentine technocracy: let me know your thoughts on the last comments I made over Discord re: going the cientifico route, and whether the academics in-charge are Peronist left-posturing or Chicago boys neoliberals

What I'm thinking is that there was from the mid 60s to the late 70s there was an Argentine strongman leader who managed to play off both sides of the Cold War, that was also decently competent [i.e, was not solely devoted to serving his patrons], maybe in the vein of Park Chung-hee but not as intensely and destructively capitalist. The country was ran in an essential one-party state, but it's also there that the germ of technocracy began to grow: Argentine intellectuals and elites began to reckon that they were once a budding power, a wealthy state, and that it was all squandered away. This is not something that should be repeated, so they aligned behind said leader, hoping that internal development might make Argentina from a nation that is being played with, to one that is to be respected within South America. But then, in the mid-70s, he dies, and leaves a pretty dangerous vacuum. While the cientificos desperately try to fill it up and to maintain the already-existing structures, communist unrest is being fomented by Moscow, and there is a genuine threat of overthrow. In order to survive, the regime had to throw out a lot of social-democratic reforms, which had an interesting effect of opening the doors to elite academia and the ruling classes to a more broader section of the populace. This leads to two realisations: one, this regime absolutely needed a broad, strong middle class to survive; secondly, that if Argentina wants to be a Power, it needs to develop its technological development. In the mid-80s, a policy of establishing satellite campuses of all neighbouring countries begins, ostensibly as non-ideological education program, but in fact, soft-power. This was seen as something of a 50-year policy.

Then the world died.
 
Re:
RoC: a) do you think that the Japanese controlled northern part of China would, in the 1989-1991 period, reunify with southern China? b) if the ideology is democracy, what are the messianic or global elements?
a) If the North is to be reunited, the RoC would be all over that , esspecially since that would basically be after they had solidified their liberal democracy. Though depending on the economic situation in the North they could actually try to form, at least temporary satellite states in the North, if their econoym could not handle absorbing the North
b) They, esspecially starting in the 90s become a) a fervently anti-communist state and also seek to spread their model of democracy towards their less "enlightened" neighbors and/or push back any remaining Imperialist influence in Asia (of course "not" to replace it with their own influence)




Super Hashemites: a) how did the Middle East kingdoms unify? you make it sound like they were unified already by 1919, is that the case? b) should I imagine your state as being a bit like Saudi Arabia, but very large? what are the messianic qualities of this state?

The Hashemites started in 1920. Due to Germanies revolution France was not able to commit the necessary forces to secure their Syrian mandate. The Hashemite lead Syrian-iraqi forces fought back and eventually gained British protection, after selling the right for Iraqs oil, though with a better deal than Iran did OTL. They first used this to develope and to intervene against the Saudis, crushing the entire House of Saud when they invaded Hejaz. Hejaz first became a sort of "vasall" and was also later used to bypass the Oil treaty with the British, since that only included Oil in teh "Kingdom of Arabia", no the "Kingdom of Hejaz". The Hashemite kingdom gained quite some economic capital during WW2, supplying whatever Oil Britain needed from them and even sweetened the deal for Britain by supplying troops to them.
In 1948 than the so called "jewish Insurrection" threatened to destroy their brother Kingdom Transjordania, so the Arabian army intervened crushing the rebellion (the Jews were afterwards recognized as citiziens, but were only allowed limited autonomy in a specific number of Kibuz). This lead to the 1951 "Day of Arabian Unity", during which the the Houses of the Hashemites and their kingdoms were united, with the main line ruling from Damascus at the head. Their richness in Oil gave them the funds needed to modernize theri army and establish an industry, so they were able to resist communist influences.
This stability allowed them to offer the Kingdom of Egypt and Sudan assistance, when Communist agitation threatened to shatter it. While Egypt retained a certain special position, it eventually joined the Kingdom of Arabia and formed the second centre of power beside the "Old kingdom" in Syria and Iraq.

There "messianic" qualities since than have not changed. Stability is their most primary target. And they see the king as the guarentee of that. So they make sure to keep everything around them stable, safe from communists, but also any other agitators that threaten the Kingdoms stability and unity.
 
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  1. China or Super Japan (I wanted to do an East Asian power that was neither)

United Federation of South Seas.

Ideology: Pink

“It may take three years, it may take five, it may take ten, but that will be the war of Indo-china.”
- Ho Chi Minh
“Rose never propagandize its fragrant, but its own fragrance spreads through its surrounding.”
- Sukarno
“Any system favoring a small section of a community will not last. In any community the majority must shape its future. The majority including the deprived people, poor farmer, low-budget entrepreneurs, and patriotic capitalists who place the public the public interest above their own”
- Pridi Banomyong


The nations of Indo-China, Indonesia, and Thailand suffered gravely at the violence done by the Western and Japanese imperialists and tragically even by our own countrymen who in their own greed and lust for power, sold their nation to the highest bidder and slaughtered their neighbors. Plaek Phibunsongkhram of Thailand, Bảo Đại of Vietnam, Phetsarath Ratanavongsa of Laos, and Son Ngoc Thanh of Cambodia were all tyrants and cowards who wished to see their name in their respective nation’s histories and at first seem to be. However the masses of their said countries made it so that they would be villains of the grand histories of Indochina, Thailand, and Indonesia. First in Indochina a war was fought to throw up the yoke of French, Japanese, and lasty American colonialism. Despite them all, Vietnam broke their imperial chains and with that was able to aid in the struggle against the fascist Suharto as he attempted to overthrown the progressive Sukarto. And finally when the US backed Thai compradors attempt to solidify the rule of their tyrant, a united front of Communists and Pridi Banomyong supporters fought them back and in return seized back power and drove the Yankee and their cronies out of Thailand! In order to make sure that these three nations were never at the thumb of the West, the Japanese, or their loyal lapdogs signed an agreement which would state that the three governments would aid each other in military strife or humanitarian crisis and do their best to coordinate as they develop better nations for their people: This became known as the Federation of the South Seas. Perhaps with time, these three nations may defy history and choose their own destiny in this new century.


Leaders(?): Nguyen Thi Quyet Tam, Poonsuk Banomyong, and Megawati Sukarnoputri



6. large Middle East state (e.g. Ottomans survive, successful Nasserist state, super-UAE)/ Super Pakistan (Due to Iran happening to be the leader in a coalition of an Iran friendly Pakistan and Afghanistan)

Islamic Republic of Iran

Ideology: Green


“When the sun sets, or the moon goes down. It looks like the end, it seems like a sunset, but in reality, it is another dawn”

- When I Die, Rumi


The early years of our Islamic republic were anything but stable. After the revolution, the general Saddam Hussein took the slight sign of weakness of the Iranian people and their state and launched an invasion over a river dispute that was solved years ago. For 8 years we fought against the godless lackeys of the Americans, for 8 years we endured bombs, sons endured gas attacks, and mothers endured shattered families and neighborhoods. We accept the extremities misguidedly by a younger Islamic Guard trying their wrestle their country from Western overindulgence and soulless capitalism but those who followed Saddam's words in heart and in arms have their fate in hell from bloody hands with no purpose; butchers through and through. And after we won that war, we had another struggle after struggle, the collapse of many of the world economies. With the falling of these great giants came great relief to Iran since no longer did we have wolves surrounding her, but came to be surrounded by skyrocketing food prices and scarcity that we had seen during the war but to a greater degree. Due to attacks done by extremists, especially of the communist variety, Behzad Nabavi offered reforms to the radicals but also promised retribution for those seeking to undermine the government. Nablavi was a veteran of the protracted struggle against the Shah and his regime, helped found the komiteh, the Ministry of Intelligence, and was also minister of heavy industries. He would successfully sideline the Conservatives and their desire for a “Council of Guardians” and the industrial unions confrontational to the government. In the 90s, Iran saw herself in two conflicts: The Northern Alliance's eventual victory over the Taliban and secondly the Pakistani revolution that saw Pakistan join Iran's world. Iran looks toward a brighter future perhaps one which shows that the 20th century was the sunset for the Iranian people, and the 21st century will be its sunrise!


Head of State: Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ebrahim Jannati

Prime Minister: Behzad Nabavi



3.) multi-national state half in half out of Europe (e.g. British Commonwealth, Slavic Union)

Commonwealth of Eurasian States:


Ideology: Black

“Sooner or later the endless spectacle is over. Then we will take revenge; mercilessly.”
- The Anonymous Whisper

The collapse of the United States and the Soviet Union brought much chaos upon their peoples. What was previously seen as outside of the political norm was shattered as problems arose quicker than solutions. For the importance of our nation, the United States saw popular revolutions of the left-wing variety that disposed of the Liberal ruling class replacing it with more political forces that fetishize progress. Despite its many issues in our former Soviet Union, there existed men of great ability, especially of military prowess like our president Leonid Ivanshov, who saw the opportunity to secure Russia and some of her possessions lost in wars past. Many of the fleeing capitalists sought refuge here for we announced the end of communism while it began again elsewhere. We welcome such refugees, we also welcome some of their enemies, and those who toe the lie and do not choose one side: For the 21st century will not be a century defined by class like the Communists once thought, or race like the Fascists thought, or even the individuals like Liberals thought, it will be a century defined by Daesein. And finding one’s Daesin, is not found in creating as new glorious future like the communists, liberals, and even the fascists want to create, but a new past. This new past was spoken in old religions all around the world but now men like Ivanshov have heard it from a voice that whispers to him and says to hear all other whispers. It is not important to know who this whisperer is, it is only important to know his message of us defeating our inauthentic selves brought on by modernity. We hope you may join us in this endeavor.



President: Leonid Ivanshov
 
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With the current pool of submissions I should have a set of sufficiently diverse states by the criteria I set out in the opening post to make a starting map. That said, I'll still consider any other submissions that come in by the end of Friday equally with the existing submissions, so if there are people with ideas they are working on, make sure to get them posted before then. I'll make the starting map of 6-7 Great Powers over the weekend, and will ask more questions where I need to over Discord between now and the finalization of the map/player roster.
 
Hey, I noticed that there has been a lack of options for the black ideology and only two suggestions for China. Since I had a few ideas for China I decided to add them as a 4th and 5th idea respectively. They're both China and they're both Black but are two radically different takes on the concept.
 
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