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AZ-04: It's the Stupid Economy

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by azaris, Jul 27, 2007.

  1. azaris

    azaris King

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    (I had this idea a while ago but now I think with the espionage and late-game additions in BtS it could be worth a try.)

    We're dumb and we're proud of it. We're not allowed to run scientists, ever (stupid eggheads). We cannot build any building or wonders that would allow us to run scientists, generate great scientists, or increase our beaker production directly. We are allowed to use the research slider, because we might be idiots but we're no fools.

    Version: Beyond the Sword 3.02
    Mods: NO
    Leader: Pacal (Mayas)
    Difficulty: Prince
    Map: Continents
    Size: Standard
    Era: Ancient
    Speed: Normal
    World wrap: Cylindrical
    Opposition: 6 random AIs

    Special rules:

    Space race victory ONLY (even dumb people want to go to Alpha Centauri)

    Variant rules:

    • Cannot build monastery, laboratory, library, observatory, university, Oxford University, Red Cross, The Great Library, The Space Elevator, University of Sankore, Aluminum Co, Standard Ethanol, or National Park.
    • Cannot hire scientists.
    • Any Great Scientists must be disbanded.
    • Cannot build Research.
    • Cannot hire specialists under Representation.
    • Cannot switch to Free Religion.
    The table is open for discussion on the variant rules. Specifically, I was wondering whether we need to have "no tech trading" on or not. Would it make this much too easy?

    I'm looking for a roster of 4-5 players. As long as you've got BtS you're welcome to join. 24 hours got it, 48 hours to play.

    Roster

    azaris
    remconius
    kirbystarfan
    Swiss Pauli
    r_rolo1
    pigswill
     
  2. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Deity

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    that might be hard...

    on a side note: When we discover Gun Powder, are we soo dumb we shoot on the wrong direction? :p

    Anyway, i'll think about it.
     
  3. remconius

    remconius Deity

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    Without science, you could only obtain technology through acquisition (trade or espionage or non-scientiest great people!) That means you have to wait till an AI get all required SS techs and steal them, afterwhich you have to sabotage his spaceship production and outbuild him ....

    But, how do you see the early game? No science, no trading and no spies...
    Take a civ with hunting, build lots of scouts and hunt for huts?

    Sounds like too much of a challenge... Perhaps if you allow a beeline for writing....
     
  4. pigswill

    pigswill fly (one day)

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    What about the Internet?
     
  5. azaris

    azaris King

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    We are allowed to use the science slider.
     
  6. remconius

    remconius Deity

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    Ok, so early game can keep up with science, but once AI starts building Libs and Unis, you lose pace.
     
  7. sunrise089

    sunrise089 Not that good

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    Maybe - but remember, it's only Prince.
     
  8. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    I'm interested ( but not sure if I have time for it :( )

    A question: Caste System is allowed? It gives you the possibility of using scientist specialists...
     
  9. azaris

    azaris King

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    Caste System is certainly allowed, but hiring scientists is not. Similarly Mercantilism and anything else that grants specialists.

    The map is continents so that we can get off to a decent start by rushing our nearest neighbours, but then the other continent should be comparable or even ahead of us in tech. I tried it once with "no tech trading" enabled and it was too easy. I'm also not sure what the effect of the slower tech pace in BtS will be.

    Like I said, suggestions are welcome.
     
  10. remconius

    remconius Deity

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    Misread the thing about the slider...

    I'll join!
     
  11. azaris

    azaris King

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  12. pigswill

    pigswill fly (one day)

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    Go for caste system, run merchants specialists to subsidise 100% research and then lightbulb GMs.
     
  13. mice

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    So no Representation . Or , if representation, no specialists at all.
     
  14. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Deity

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    I like this idea. Great Merchants for the money then train soldiers and attack and :hammer: everybody! :D
     
  15. kirbystarfan

    kirbystarfan Chieftain

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    So, are you going for CE, seeing as you can't hire scientist specialists?

    I'll join, if you'll have me. I can play Prince but have never been in a SG. If you want someone more experienced, I understand.
     
  16. azaris

    azaris King

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    That is a good question. Specialists under Rep are not scientists, but they do produce beakers directly. I would tend to agree, no specialists under Rep. What does everyone else think?

    Welcome to the team, kirbystarfan.
     
  17. remconius

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    Like you said, no beakers, so no merchants/engineers/artists producing beakers either.
     
  18. Swiss Pauli

    Swiss Pauli Emperor

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    Sign me up!

    No Rep specialists is fine: unless we build Pyramids then there won't be the incentive to run Rep.

    What about the GS from Physics? Delete him, or gift him?
     
  19. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    Sign me in too.... This will be fun ( and a nice way to put espionage to a serious test )
     
  20. pigswill

    pigswill fly (one day)

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    If you've got room for a sixth player I'd like to sign up. Otherwise I'll just lurk and make smart-ass comments.
     

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