In many places in the strategy forum, people will pull some bad math regarding the philosophical trait and the various modifiers in the game, i.e. parthenon, pacifism and national epic. Actual it is not bad math but a misinterpretation of the math that has lead many to understate the value and mistate the effects of the modifier.
A common statement may be: "The parthenon gives 50% bonus for a standard civ but only 25% for a philisophical civ."
This statement is incorrect.
say you have the parthenon which gives 2 GPP
Bad math that reinforces the statement:
Standard civ
2 + 1 = 3, 3/2 = 1.50
Philisophical civ
2 + 2 + 1 = 5, 5/4 = 1.25
There are various versions of the above math using percentage totals and such.
The misinterpretation is that many people add the 100% philisophical bonus to the base, not mathmatically prior to the bonus, but in the results.
the good math for the philsophical trait is
2 + 1 = 3, 3/2 + 2/2 = 1.5 + 1 = 2.5
You see, in this example, the parthenon gives one extra GPP for both parties. As far as I know, 1 = 1. there is not a "1" that is more powerful than another "1"
+1 over 10 turns is still 10 for either the philosophical civ just as it is for the nonphilosophical civ.
For the time to effect spread sheet junkies, numbers game abound:
Say your target is a 100 gpp with the above parthenon example.
2 gpp without parthenon takes 100/2 = 50 turns
2 GPP with parthenon takes 100/3 = 34 turns
2 gpp with philisophical takes 100/4 = 25 turns
2 gpp with philosophical and parthenon takes 100/5 = 20 turns.
The parthenon only guy saved 16 turns compared to the 5 turns of the philisophical+parthenon guy!
Again this is an incomplete comparison since people do not state that the philisophical + parthenon guy actually has more gpp at comparitive milestone points.
@ 50 turns
straight = 100 gpp, 100/100 = 1.0
parthenon only = 150 gpp, 150/100 = 1.5
philisophical only = 200 gpp. 200/100 = 2.0
parthenon + philisophical = 250, 250/100 = 2.5
Both the parthenon and parthenon+philosophical are getting 50%, no more no less.
So is the parthenon worth more or less to a philisophical civ when compared a non philisophical civ? The answer is that it worth the same.
A common statement may be: "The parthenon gives 50% bonus for a standard civ but only 25% for a philisophical civ."
This statement is incorrect.
say you have the parthenon which gives 2 GPP
Bad math that reinforces the statement:
Standard civ
2 + 1 = 3, 3/2 = 1.50
Philisophical civ
2 + 2 + 1 = 5, 5/4 = 1.25
There are various versions of the above math using percentage totals and such.
The misinterpretation is that many people add the 100% philisophical bonus to the base, not mathmatically prior to the bonus, but in the results.
the good math for the philsophical trait is
2 + 1 = 3, 3/2 + 2/2 = 1.5 + 1 = 2.5
You see, in this example, the parthenon gives one extra GPP for both parties. As far as I know, 1 = 1. there is not a "1" that is more powerful than another "1"
+1 over 10 turns is still 10 for either the philosophical civ just as it is for the nonphilosophical civ.
For the time to effect spread sheet junkies, numbers game abound:
Say your target is a 100 gpp with the above parthenon example.
2 gpp without parthenon takes 100/2 = 50 turns
2 GPP with parthenon takes 100/3 = 34 turns
2 gpp with philisophical takes 100/4 = 25 turns
2 gpp with philosophical and parthenon takes 100/5 = 20 turns.
The parthenon only guy saved 16 turns compared to the 5 turns of the philisophical+parthenon guy!
Again this is an incomplete comparison since people do not state that the philisophical + parthenon guy actually has more gpp at comparitive milestone points.
@ 50 turns
straight = 100 gpp, 100/100 = 1.0
parthenon only = 150 gpp, 150/100 = 1.5
philisophical only = 200 gpp. 200/100 = 2.0
parthenon + philisophical = 250, 250/100 = 2.5
Both the parthenon and parthenon+philosophical are getting 50%, no more no less.
So is the parthenon worth more or less to a philisophical civ when compared a non philisophical civ? The answer is that it worth the same.