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Baking Cakes and Discrimination: Or, "What Would Jesus Do?"

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cutlass, Aug 14, 2018.

  1. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    son.
    I think that that's a comparison that the plaintiff would be happy to endorse.
     
  2. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy You gave me my own tail?

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    Wildly inaccurate, but yes, I presume she'd love the comparison.

    Unless, I suppose, a heteronormative* individual could walk into Mr. Phillip's shop, inform him they wanted the same cake for their friend/relative's gender transition party, and he'd sell them the cake.

    *Is that the right term here? Does it encompass the concept of "not trans?" Honest question. If not, is there a different polite/respectful way to put it other than "not trans?"
     
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  3. Lexicus

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    The term you're looking for is "cisgender", it's the opposite of transgender.
     
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  4. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy You gave me my own tail?

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    Just caught this half conversation. You leave my son and I out of this. He's six and am I'm fairly certain we both expect better of each other than this already. ;) Shame for being a young man should be relegated to the dustbin. Shame for being stupid and aggressive, leave that in place!
     
  5. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Like Lexicus says, cisgender is the opposite of transgender.

    Heteronormative is a concept that applies to, well, norms - it's a way to describe media, speech, etc. that assumes that people are automatically straight.
     
  6. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy You gave me my own tail?

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    Fenks!
     
  7. timtofly

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    If the baker were suing them for his own rights....

    What you are proposing is enslaving vendors because if they do not comply, they are bigots. Which is worse discrimination or slavery?
     
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  8. Senethro

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    I don't think that is enslavement.
     
  9. timtofly

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    When you tell people how to think and act, that is slavery. Nor do I think that refusing service is any more harmful than forcing a vendor to go against his willingness to provide a service. A customer can take their thoughts to other vendors. The vendor just looses his business for exercising his ability to discriminate.

    We seem to want to punish the vendor above the loss of business.
     
  10. Archon_Wing

    Archon_Wing Vote for me or die

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    Rosa Parks was most certainly not treated like a human being. And honestly I don't see how this came up.
     
  11. Lexicus

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    So when my parents yelled at me for stealing cookies out of the jar and made me stop by threatening to confiscate my stuffed animals, they had enslaved me?

    InTeReStInG TaKe
     
  12. Broken_Erika

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    You're just figuring this out now? Parents regularly deny their children the basic human right of jumping on the bed and forcing them to go to bed early! It's IS slavery! Just ask any 7-year old!
     
  13. timtofly

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    It was not the yelling or threatening, but yes. Being a slave for 18 years has it's benefits.
     
  14. Lexicus

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    Well, so does being an enslaved business owner: you get to run a business.
     
  15. timtofly

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    Is that the answer then? Slavery is better than discrimination?
     
  16. Lexicus

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    Since you've defined slavery to include "any situation where anyone has to do something they do not want to do, or is not allowed to do something they want to do" the answer is a resounding yes.
     
  17. Naskra

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    The relevance is that the Parks case was a pre-arranged affair, like the Scopes trial, and like this cake flummery.
     
  18. Berzerker

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    thats called punishment for stealing
     
  19. timtofly

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    Well.... we are talking about stealing a person's ability to receive a service they want which a vendor may or may not be required by law to give them.

    I did not define it. There are different types of slavery. Some more famous than others.
     
  20. Lexicus

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    For anyone wondering, this is of course not true. Parks' action in refusing to stand and give up her seat was not premeditated.

    Thanks buddy, really appreciate you clearing that up for us
     

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