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Discussion in 'Team CivFanatics' started by 2metraninja, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Maga_R

    Maga_R Has quit civ

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    I am sorry, Classical_Hero, I am geeting a lot of emails recently, so it clogs very quickly. I cleared it now.
     
  2. Aivoturso

    Aivoturso King

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    @Sommers. Hi, I'm back :) Well, I was kind of here all the time but couldn't really find time to respond you earlier. I figure that since you gave me a proper answer, I owe you one too.

    With your definition of greatness USA is undoubtedly current greatest. GOAT with these parameters, is more difficult one. As you know, wealth and military power are difficult to compare across the ages. My guess for the nation with comparatively most financial and military influence ever would be British Empire after Napoleonic wars, but that's just a guess.

    However, I do believe that you can't get everything else with Military and Financial power. E.g. things like equality, diplomatic influence, quality of healthcare etc. will require much more than just money and bully power.

    Personally I don't think athletic prowess is a good way to measure greatness of a nation. It basically boils down to population of the country and financial backing for the said sports. E.g. though USA has many world class athletes in many sports, US has yet to win world cup in the most popular sports in the world, i.e. football. And by football I mean the sports where the players move a ball with their feet :D This is most likely because football is not as popular a sport in US as some others are. Since there are less spectators, there is less financial backing and therefore less global success than in other sports getting more money. What does this say about greatness of USA? IMO, absolutely nothing.

    BTW, just to set facts straight, most gold medals from recent Olympic Games:
    2006 Winter Olympics: Germany
    2008 Summer Olympics: China
    2010 Winter Olympics: Canada
    2012 Summer Olympics: USA

    These, I have to admit that I don't really know enough about to really argue. Only thing I can say is that I believe that any kind of diversity is a powerful resource if used correctly.

    Entertainment capital depends on your choice of entertainment. Hollywood has very high influence on movie and TV industry, but less so for stage theater, music industry or computer games industry. Most influential centres for all these (except maybe for stage theater) are in USA, so your basic premise of USA having larger influence on entertainment industry than any other country has is probably correct, but IMO the situation is again much more complicated than awarding bragging rights for a single city. Same goes with the finance. NY is undeniably very important financial hub, but as financial network is extremely complex, no single hub can really be called a center. About global relations hub, I have to agree. NY is the most important place to be, close second being Brussels with NATO and EU headquarters.

    You did pretty well without a template :) I got your point. I have to disagree on couple of very important points, though. Yes, it is highly unlikely that anyone reading this forum would have large impact on the world. But the chance is higher than zero. First of all, I've never claimed that anyone here would ever be running the world. I don't believe that anyone of us will be. In fact I do not believe that anyone in the world is really running the show. Yes, there are people whose actions likely have more impact and influence than others' actions have. But even the most influential people have a limited impact on the world. What I am talking about is that attitudes and actions of ordinary people matter. In some cases they matter more than actions of politicians and leaders.

    Let's have couple of concrete examples of ordinary people whose actions have changed the world (with their jobs at the time of their actions):
    • Martin Luther King Jr., priest, USA.
    • Claudette Colvin, highschooler, USA.
    • Mahatma Gandhi, barrister, India.
    • Desmond Tutu, bishop, South Africa.
    And of course there are even more contemporary examples of people showing extraordinary courage in face of oppression, such as Malala Yousafzai (a schoolgirl from Pakistan), but it still remains to be seen if their actions have impact or not. Hopefully they do.

    Unfortunately I could also make a list of ordinary people who have caused much harm and grief due to their convictions as well. To avoid insulting or hurting people who've been impacted by heinous actions of such individuals, I will not list any names. I'm sure all of us who have followed news for last couple of decades can think of several such people anyway.

    Aside from the impact of individuals, I believe it is the actions and opinions of the general populace that has the largest impact on the world. For example in African American Civil Rights movement it was really the actions and support of the masses of people that made the real impact. In the end, opinion of the masses is really the opinion of the individuals forming the mass. And actions of the masses are actions of individuals combined. So I stand firm in my belief that our opinions can have difference in the world, though the difference usually is small. And therefore it is important to be concious of the impact any beliefs or convicitons one holds.
     
  3. Magno_uy

    Magno_uy Warlord

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  4. YossarianLives

    YossarianLives Deity

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    Happy Birthday Maga_R!

    [party]:bday:[party]

    Hope you have a really good one!
     
  5. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd Rest in Peace Black Panther

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    Happy birthday Maga!
     
  7. Maga_R

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    Thank you, everybody :).
     
  8. Maga_R

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    [party] Thank you, Yossa, Sommers and Regent! :D So far my b-day has been very nice :D. And now playing civ :D.
     
  9. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Happy Belated bday.
     
  10. Maga_R

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    Thank you, CH :D.
     
  11. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Are you 21?
     
  12. Maga_R

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    A bit older ;), although not sure how much :lol:. My GrandMa told me to stop counting after 21. Why?
     
  13. 2metraninja

    2metraninja Defender of Nabaxica

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    I know from another thread that Sommers had his daughter. Good job, daddy! :goodjob: In Bulgaria we say that the boy's fathers are "master craftsman", but girl's fathers are "artists" :)

    You will see, sons are great of course, but daughters are just... just... you will see. Congrats, buddy [party]
     
  14. Arkipeller

    Arkipeller Ancient of Lore

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    I sent you a postcard the other day, Maga. I hope you will enjoy it :)
     
  15. Maga_R

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    Ah, that was a birthday postcard you mentioned? Thank you very much either way :D. I am sure I will enjoy it :D.
     
  16. Maga_R

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    [party] Congratulations, Sommers! [party]
     
  17. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd Rest in Peace Black Panther

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    Thanks buddy:D I look forward to it.

    Yes it was a happy day (night). Thanks :yeah:

    My family saying is that you go up to 25 then count backwards each birthday to 21, then back to 25 and then back to 21 and so on.:crazyeye: I think that makes me about 23... two more years and I'm 21 again baby :woohoo: :beer:
     
  18. YossarianLives

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    Congratulations Sommerswerd, that's really exciting news!
     
  19. Magno_uy

    Magno_uy Warlord

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    :goodjob::goodjob:

    great job!! Daughters are the best!!!!

    PS> happy birthday Maga!
     
  20. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    The Congratulations should go to Sommer's wife, who did the hard work. He got the easy part of the whole deal.
     

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