Barack Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize

Why don't they just take the lead of Time Magazine and award the Nobel prize to us.
Yeah, Obama didn't stage a coup and just move into the White House without the consent of the people; the Americans that voted for Obama should be given the prize, including the prize money (approx. $1.4m.)

That's $97,239,655,800,000, Sweden. If we tax that income at the level the Democrats want (39%), then that would mean $37,923,465,762,000 for the federal government... sounds like a solid plan to me. :goodjob:

That is, unless Sweden is too greedy to share... :mischief:
 
Yeah Sweden! Pay up! :D
I honestly don't know a lot about the prize money, except that it's in Swedish kroner... does the Swedish government pay it? Or does Norway pay it, but just with Swedish money? :confused:
 
War isnt the same thing as terrorism.

A terrorist is someone who has a bomb, but doesn't have an air force. William Blum
 
A terrorist is someone who has a bomb, but doesn't have an air force. William Blum

You know, the problem with quoting people and linking to things is that not only do you never get to experience the joy of figuring out something for yourself, but you also loose the capacity to identify blitheringly idiotic statements.
 
The point you are obviously missing is that quoting people and linking to things are examples of "figuring out something for yourself".

I come bearing an olive branch in one hand, and the freedom fighter's gun in the other. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand. Yasser Arafat

One often hears, for example, that ''one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Anonymous
 
I honestly don't know a lot about the prize money, except that it's in Swedish kroner... does the Swedish government pay it? Or does Norway pay it, but just with Swedish money? :confused:

The prize money itself is taken from the estate that Alfred Nobel left for this purpose. There is, to my knowledge, no state money involved in the prize.
 
Totally wrong decision, which makes the peace nobel seem utterly idiotic. Obama has done nothing for world peace, even less- if that was possible- at the time he was a candidate for a piece nobel.
 
The prize money itself is taken from the estate that Alfred Nobel left for this purpose. There is, to my knowledge, no state money involved in the prize.
They'd better get on selling some more dynamite, then. :D
 
It is to the people who become collateral damage.

Respectfully, no its not. Whens the last time you saw a terrorist pay compensation to the victims of a suicide bombing? To my knowledge, when the USA mistakenly causes collateral damage, we offer the familiies compensation and damages. And while I know that doesnt make it all better, its shows a marketed difference in waging war where collateral damage may occur and actual terrorism where civilians are specifically targeted.

I come bearing an olive branch in one hand, and the freedom fighter's gun in the other. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand. Yasser Arafat

Dont trust a butthole bearing a gun while professing peace. - Mobboss
 
Respectfully, no its not. Whens the last time you saw a terrorist pay compensation to the victims of a suicide bombing? To my knowledge, when the USA mistakenly causes collateral damage, we offer the familiies compensation and damages. And while I know that doesnt make it all better, its shows a marketed difference in waging war where collateral damage may occur and actual terrorism where civilians are specifically targeted.


Under the new law, the terrorist’s family will be paid a base sum of $250 per month. The law takes into account extended family arrangements commonplace in Arab societies. The families of married terrorists are entitled to an additional $50 per month, and $15 are added for each child, $25 for each parent, and $15 for each brother who lived with the terrorist prior to his death.

The monies, to be paid out of the general budget of the Palestinian Authority, are significant sums for average Arab families living in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/94583

The hall was packed and the intake of breath was audible as a special announcement was made to the war widows of the West Bank - Saddam Hussein would pay $US25,000 ($47,000) to the family of each suicide bomber as an enticement for others to volunteer for martyrdom in the name of the Palestinian people.

The men at the top table then opened Saddam's chequebook and, as the names of 47 martyrs were called, family representatives went up to sign for cheques written in US dollars.

Those of two suicide bombers were the first to be paid the new rate of $US25,000 and those whose relatives had died in other clashes with the Israeli military were given $US10,000 each.

The $US500,000 doled out in this impoverished community yesterday means that the besieged Iraqi leader now has contributed more than $US10 million to grieving Palestinian families since the new intifada began 18 months ago.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/25/1017004766310.html

Still so different?
 
Nor that Bush could find so many on such short notice to stand behind him while he delivered the speech.

Obama may have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize, but he lost out on getting the Freeby from Robyn Blumner this year:

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/president-falls-short/1061051

Spoiler :
President falls short

By Robyn E. Blumner, Times Columnist
In Print: Sunday, December 27, 2009

At the end of each year I typically award the "Freeby" to the person who has done the most in the service of civil liberties. As dusk fell on 2008 and the reign-of-error Bush administration was packing up its jackhammers, I felt then that I could have written ahead to December 2009, giving the Freeby to President-elect Barack Obama. I was deliriously confident that all of his campaign promises to resurrect civil liberties and the rule of law would be fulfilled.

But I come to report that my hopes have been dashed in a way that is so thoroughly disappointing that I am devoting this column to the reasons why Obama is undeserving of the Freeby.

Yes, there have been accomplishments. Obama promised to end torture, and reports suggest that prisoners are no longer subject to brutal interrogations as a matter of policy. He said that he would close Guantanamo within a year, and while that will probably not occur before 2011, Obama is determined to get it done against terrific congressional opposition, even, shamefully, from his own party.

But even as our president seeks to close the dark symbol that is Guantanamo, he is working to enshrine the principle it stands for: that men arrested far from any battlefield can be held indefinitely and without charge on the president's orders.

There are reportedly 198 prisoners remaining at Guantanamo, some of whom commendably are now being prosecuted in federal court in New York, including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Moving a high-profile terrorist from a legal black hole to an established, legitimate process is a significant step, but the Obama administration isn't doing that for every prisoner as it should.

Some detainees will be facing revamped but still deeply flawed military commissions. And then there are the leftovers, those prisoners whom the administration doesn't have much of a case against but doesn't want to free. Having those prisoners transferred to a supermax prison in rural Illinois makes their continued detention no more constitutionally palatable. In fact the whole plan, where legal forums get chosen based on the quality of the evidence (so prosecutors always win), sounds like little more than a gussied-up version of the Bush theory of detention.

Obama also fails the accountability test. We can debate to what degree there should be criminal prosecutions of Bush administration officials who authorized torture. But victims of torture should at least be allowed their day in court. That's not happening because Obama's Justice Department is fighting their cases using a sweeping definition of the state secrets defense.

The administration argued earlier this month before 11 federal judges of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco that the case of five victims of extraordinary rendition and torture (in one case a man who endured cuts to his genitals to elicit a false confession) should be tossed out because some of the evidence includes national security secrets.

If this happens, it would devastate the notion that the CIA and executive branch are subject to enforceable legal constraints. Federal courts are well equipped to handle classified evidence, and there has to be some access to justice for people seriously and purposely physically abused due to our government's actions.

As shocking as this is, at least to me, there are people — certain right-wing talk show hosts and many Republicans in Congress, among others — who don't agree that torturing detainees or outsourcing the job to other regimes is wrong and illegal. We must have courts take these cases to at least make that much clear. Otherwise the next administration may return to those methods.

Finally, Obama has a mixed record on transparency. Back in April, the president overcame the resistance of Leon Panetta, his CIA chief, and released some of the Bush-era Office of Legal Counsel memos legally justifying abusive interrogation techniques. Well done there. But Obama is still refusing to make public OLC memos that gave the Bush administration legal cover for its program of domestic warrantless wiretapping.

In essence, Obama won't lay bare the full factual record of civil liberties abuses committed under President George Bush. It's as if he's asking us to ignore the big pile of garbage swept under the rug — one that we may dangerously trip over in the future.

So I'm keeping the Freeby award in reserve. Maybe Obama will live up to his promises and qualify next year. One can always hope.



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