I know they are good for taking out cities, but 4 times now my starting warrior has gotten upgraded and can no longer defend himself because he cant attack barbarians. it's the first time i played them that i found this out and it was a real let down. i wanted to see their UUs and compare to Genghis. im generally not able to take a city for at least 30 turns or so and im stuck with a slow scout that wont get upgrades until then. also the razing speed hasnt helped much. most of the time the early raze-able cities are 6 or 7 pop max and reduced to 3 so razing was only sped up 1 turn. it felt underwhelming.