Battlefield Asia: The Mod(Idea Stage...comments please with cherrys on top..)

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I'm sure Bombshoo would love your help Red, thankyou....

 

[bombshoo]

There we go...It wasn't uploading for a min..Don't know why..Here it is..Some of South East Asia is done, and thats about it...I had most of China, and Korea done too, but it was all off alot, it seemed when I checked an Atlas, so I erased it.


Yes, any help at all would be helpful...Thanks

 

[RedAlert]

Woah - That map's huge! No wonder you're not having an easy time...

I'll do what I can.

Question: By what means did you make the land outlines?

 

[bombshoo]

The shape of the land, like everything but the interior...Coastlines I can do.

 

[pinktilapia]

Bombshoo, RedAlert, when you are done with the SEA part of the map, let me know if you want me to add to it. There is a lot more than just jungle around: flood plains are very common, there are lots of great rivers (not just the Mekong) and the Great Lake of Cambodia (Tonle Sap), very dry areas in some parts (except during the rainy season when they thrive with greenish shrubbery), lots and lots of hills (but very few 'mountains'), and many swampy/mangrove area along the coastline.

 

[bombshoo]

Bombshoo, RedAlert, when you are done with the SEA part of the map, let me know if you want me to add to it. There is a lot more than just jungle around: flood plains are very common, there are lots of great rivers (not just the Mekong) and the Great Lake of Cambodia (Tonle Sap), very dry areas in some parts (except during the rainy season when they thrive with greenish shrubbery), lots and lots of hills (but very few 'mountains'), and many swampy/mangrove area along the coastline.

Yeah, That does need more detail...I don't like Flood Plain too much since it looks like desert, I know there is more swamp, but I only put the really big ones, so there was plenty of room to build cities.

 

[pinktilapia]

Ok, but since you are focusing in Asia, you don't need to use Nile flavoured graphics for floodplain, you could instead have something more looking like paddy fields and make good use of these throughout the southern part of the map.

 

[bombshoo]

Ok, but since you are focusing in Asia, you don't need to use Nile flavoured graphics for floodplain, you could instead have something more looking like paddy fields and make good use of these throughout the southern part of the map.

I think someone might have made a terrian, or irrigation or something like that..If I can find it, I think it definatly needs put in.

 

[RedAlert]

I did some 'practice' on Japan... I've attached a preview just so you can see. Now I'll move on to the more inland parts of the map. For whatever I can't do, I may just draw up a little picture showing generally what terrain should go where.

 

[bombshoo]

Thats Great! I am ok, but your much better Red..



For units, on some of the ones you had ? marks for....

There is a more modern Indian infantry somwhere, then the Sikh one Bebro made.

Though it comes alittle after WWII Infantry, maybe we can get someone to make a Korean War infantry, since it would also be good for alot of other scenarios and mods....

I am going to assume all the civs using elephants have roughly the same line as India...Maybe all of SEA can have the same cavalry line, since I doubt they used it much..


The hard ones will be Xioung-Nu, and Tibet past midevial era....I think Dom might be making a Yak cavalry they can use however....



Are you against giving them European units? The Javanese could have Dutch units, past colonization, and Vietnamese could use French...etc

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Artillery and vehicles(Post WW2), no problem, but unless the units are mercs, like the Portuguese were in Burma and Ayathaya, i'd rather try to fill the gaps with units from the area, if its possible. Of coarse, alot of units could and should be recycled and used for more than one civilization, for example, the Koreans had a spearman in antiauty which greatly resembled the Otomo Spearman, according to Shiro, so therefore, the Koreans will also get the Otomo Spearman.

SE Asian Civs will use Elephents instead of Horses, and the only UU Elephent will be the Mahout(Which India will get)

 

[Goldflash]

Bombshoo, RedAlert, when you are done with the SEA part of the map, let me know if you want me to add to it. There is a lot more than just jungle around: flood plains are very common, there are lots of great rivers (not just the Mekong) and the Great Lake of Cambodia (Tonle Sap), very dry areas in some parts (except during the rainy season when they thrive with greenish shrubbery), lots and lots of hills (but very few 'mountains'), and many swampy/mangrove area along the coastline.

He has some good points. Part of Goldflash thinks we sould replace Irrigation with Rice Paddies....

 

[pinktilapia]

As long as we speak of the tropical areas fo the map, irrigation & paddies would be more or less representing the same thing anyway, unless we consider rainfed paddies . Since rice was mostly cultured in floodplains, where most if not all of the most populous cities are built, maybe make this terrain look like a mix of greenish paddies and wetlands. I have attached a quickly drawn (and likely quite inaccurate) overview of the part of Southeast Asia I am familiar with, in the case it can help.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Thats alot of hills.....

 

[Master Kodama]

@ RedAlert:

Looks good. Needs rivers
Ever the critic

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Well, the map is under construction, now for the tech tree...any ideas on its appearence?

 

[pinktilapia]

Thats alot of hills.....

Hills in the real world . In Civ terms, it would be mixed with forests, jungles and a few squares of open terrain.

 

[Xyth]

If you want a southern rival to China then the Thai might be suitable. They were originally from around the Yunnan province of China (their state was known as Nan Chao) and migrated to SE Asia around 1000 AD (their first state, Sukhothai, was founded c.1275 AD.

This might help ease the SE Asia overcrowding too. However:

I think the confusion over the Khmer/Viet relationship is probably because there were actually a third people there: the Cham.

Champa was located in southern Vietnam and was ethnically Austronesian (a branch of the Malays I believe) but culturally influenced by the Khmer / Indians. The Viet moved into the Northern vietnam region (Annam, etc) from further northwards and were more culturally influenced by China. The Viets only absorbed Champa in the 1600s.

The Khmer, Cham and Viet were all quite distinct peoples, ethnically and linguistically.

There was a similar situation in what is now Burma. The original peoples here were the Mon, Pyu and Arakanese. The Burmese came later (from eastern India) and didn't 'unite' the region until the 1600s. And to confuse things more, the Mon had previously relocated to Burma from northern Cambodia.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Most of those nations will present in the mod Xyth, especially Siam..it would be wrong not to include them..

 

[Master Kodama]

Most of those nations will present in the mod Xyth, especially Siam..it would be wrong not to include them..

I think Xyths MAIN suggestion regards the location of these civs on the map, particularly the Thai in regards to a state in southern China, rather than their mere inclusion. Frankly, I think Xyth has a good point with the Thai -- it would be on some level both historically accurate AND helpful to overall gameplay to place them in southern China. Though the city list would probably have to be modified so that Nan Chao cities appear before SE Asian settlements.