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Battleground God!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Amenhotep7, Jan 14, 2005.

  1. Amenhotep7

    Amenhotep7 Spartiate

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    http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/god.htm

    How rational are your beliefs about God? I won the "TPM Service Medal", which basically means that my beliefs about God are well-thought out, with some "logical contradictions".

    Before you play: "Direct Hit" is what they call a contadiction in your beliefs, and "biting a bullet" is when you assume a view which by many is considered abnormal.
     
  2. Erik Mesoy

    Erik Mesoy Core Tester / Intern

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    Posted before. I played it before. Don't remember much. Let me try again...

    Status: Hmm, the game seems to interpret my wording creatively. I got one hit and bit one bullet on my first try. After understanding the wording, my second try was plain sailing.
     
  3. downtown

    downtown Crafternoon Delight

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    i did it and got the same result. wooo!
     
  4. Cheetah

    Cheetah Deity

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    :)

    Though I'm not completely in agreement with how question 15 and 17 was asked. I think it comes from different definitions of the word "justifiable".
     
  5. punkbass2000

    punkbass2000 Des An artiste

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    You have reached the end!

    Congratulations! You have made it to the end of this activity.

    You took zero direct hits and you bit 3 bullets. The average player of this activity to date takes 1.39 hits and bites 1.11 bullets. 246697 people have so far undertaken this activity.

    Click the link below for further analysis of your performance and to see if you've won an award.

    My full analysis
     
  6. punkbass2000

    punkbass2000 Des An artiste

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    Indeed, there many semantical inconsisties and ambiguities. An interesting test nonetheless.
     
  7. Perfection

    Perfection The Great Head.

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    Congratulations!
    You have been awarded the TPM medal of honour! This is our highest award for outstanding service on the intellectual battleground.

    The fact that you progressed through this activity neither being hit nor biting a bullet suggests that your beliefs about God are internally consistent and very well thought out.

    A direct hit would have occurred had you answered in a way that implied a logical contradiction. You would have bitten bullets had you responded in ways that required that you held views that most people would have found strange, incredible or unpalatable. However, you avoided both these fates - and in doing so qualify for our highest award. A fine achievement!
     
  8. punkbass2000

    punkbass2000 Des An artiste

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    I knew you'd beat me Perfection... ;)
     
  9. JohnRM

    JohnRM Don't make me destroy you

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    Is it a lack of love that prevents your parents from stopping you from riding a bike for the first time and falling on your ass? It is lack of knowledge? If you were sheltered from everything that could cause you pain, you would never learn anything and there would be no such thing as life. If there were no bad things in life, then what have you? If every day was a sunny day, then what is a sunny day?

    When God created us, he gave us free will. Free will means nothing if there is no choice between good and bad. If all of your choices are good ones, then what is the purpose of free will?


    I cannot begin to explain the reasons why things are the way they are. I don't have all of the answers. My heart tells me that I am not meant to and that God does.


    I have read further, but alas the remainder of the text follows the same principles. If God has the ability to do X then why not do it? Or why does he allow Y to happen? I do believe that need to spend time in the CFC-OT for proper schooling on how to debunk the various God Theories.
     
  10. phoenix_night

    phoenix_night Deity

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    I still think question 16 is rubbish.
     
  11. stratego

    stratego Trying to be good.

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    What is the max times that you can get a direct hit?
     
  12. JohnRM

    JohnRM Don't make me destroy you

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    I went forward and took part in the "Battleground God" part of the website. I did not run into a "bullet" until question eleven. What is interesting to note is that the notice stated that I did not, in fact, contradict myself in any manner that they could percieve. The question was along the lines of "Do you believe that people dying of disease do so for some higher purpose?". I answered "yes". From what I could gather, they just seemed not to understand what that higher purpose could be and therefore could not believe that it existed.

    In the very next question, again, I've come across another bullet. Simply put, the question was "Do you believe that God has the power to reverse things so that sin is right and right is sin?" I answered "Yes". The bullet had apparently come this time with the shocking news that I was somehow contradicting myself.

    The problem is that although God could make sin to be considered morally good, God has, so far, not done so. Furthermore, if God were to invert the world, suffering would not be suffering, but in fact, enjoyment.


    On forward to question 14 which came along the lines of, "If no evidence exists to prove that God does not exist, then is Atheism a matter of faith?". I answered "Yes" and came up with another bullet.

    In this case, the two questions are incomparable. My belief that the Loch Ness Monster does not exist due to lack of evidence is still a matter of faith just as it is for atheists who feel the same about God. There is absolutely no evidence in either case with exception to the lack thereof, so therefore any judgement made is a matter of faith and perception. With the question of Loch Ness Monsters, the subject in question is a biological organism that could only exist within the small confines of the Loch and on the bordering shoreline. With the question of God, it is generally believed that the subject, were God to exist, would have unlimited power and all of that, therefor God's existence cannot be as easily dismissed due to lack of evidence as it were to dismiss that of the Loch Ness Monster.

    Onto question 16. "Can God make circles have four sides and 1+1 = 72?". I answered "Yes".

    This I can agree on, somewhat. Again we run into "If God could do X then our world would not make sense and blah blah blah blah blah." The problem is that God did not do make circles with four sides and did not make 1+1=72. Furthermore, if God were to change the math, 1+1 would still equal 2, in a relative sense, because our free will created the language to express God's measurements. In the end, however, it is only through feeling that one can determine whether they believe or not. All of the discussion and debate in the world will only bring you to a point where to search your inner feelings for the truth.


    ----- It goes on and on. I could debunk their crap all day. I get more challenge out of CFC-OT'ers. -----


    On question 17. Something like, "It is justifiable to believe in the existence of God despite the lack of evidence in the external world." I answered, "Yes". Again...

    Again, they are trying to fit God into what they view as the external world. They apparently feel that if God exists, he must do so within the "external world" before any other place. Again, I say God is not limited to existing within his own creation. That is just silly.



    My overall opinion of website is as follows:

    -- There are holes in their rationale(s) big enough to fit Jerome Bettis through. I get more challenge from a CFC-OT'er.

    -- They want you to believe that God must exist within and under the laws of his own creation (Earth, the Universe, etc). Even most Athiests here must agree that this is not required for God to exist.

    -- In the end, what I can conclude about these people is that they believe that if they cannot understand God and God's rationale, that God must not exist. I find this highly condescending. It tells me that they think too highly of themselves. "If I cannot understand it, it must not be true."
     
  13. JohnRM

    JohnRM Don't make me destroy you

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    I took three bitten bullets and two direct hits, according to them.
     
  14. Mr. Do

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    Yay I got the good medal. I bit the bullet on Peter Sutcliff, but I realised the logic behind it in that it is justifiable for him to believe whatever he likes, but that doesn't mean I have to accept his actions. Arr.
     
  15. h4ppy

    h4ppy You sir, pineapple?

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    Ofcourse I can defend the last contradiction. A square is a definition of something with four equal points and four equal sides. A circle is by definition something with no points and a equal length of all its radians. (or something else) God can't make a square circle because they are two different things. He can change a square into a circle though. (or change the definition of square)
     
  16. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    Let me guess, you selected "please select" for each question and just hit submit ;)
     
  17. Perfection

    Perfection The Great Head.

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    Nope, I did it the non cheater way
     
  18. blindside

    blindside formerly god

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    Congratulations!
    You have been awarded the TPM medal of distinction! This is our second highest award for outstanding service on the intellectual battleground.

    The fact that you progressed through this activity without being hit and biting only one bullet suggests that your beliefs about God are internally consistent and well thought out.


    A direct hit would have occurred had you answered in a way that implied a logical contradiction. The bitten bullet occurred because you responded in a way that required that you held a view that most people would have found strange, incredible or unpalatable. However, because you bit only one bullet and avoided direct hits completely you still qualify for our second highest award. A good achievement!



    It was 16 or 17 that was a bit tricky.
     
  19. Fetus4188

    Fetus4188 Deity

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    10 characters.
     
  20. Shadylookin

    Shadylookin master debater

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    Congratulations!

    You have been awarded the TPM medal of honour! This is our highest award for outstanding service on the intellectual battleground.

    The fact that you progressed through this activity neither being hit nor biting a bullet suggests that your beliefs about God are internally consistent and very well thought out.

    A direct hit would have occurred had you answered in a way that implied a logical contradiction. You would have bitten bullets had you responded in ways that required that you held views that most people would have found strange, incredible or unpalatable. However, you avoided both these fates - and in doing so qualify for our highest award. A fine achievement!

    Jesus ain't got nothing on me.

    here were my excellent answers

    god exists... don't know.

    No one has yet been able to provide strong evidence either way as to wether a deity exists or not

    If God does not exist then there is no basis for morality. fasle

    obviously secular reasons to behave exist

    Any being which it is right to call God must be free to do anything false

    the only thing a deity must do is create the universe

    Any being which it is right to call God must want there to be as little suffering in the word as is possible.false

    the only thing a deity must do is create the universe

    Any being which it is right to call God must have the power to do anything.false

    the only thing a deity must do is create the universe

    Evolutionary theory maybe false in some matters of detail, but it is essentially true.TRUE

    your ancestor was a hairy ape like creature, get over it.

    It is justifiable to base one's beliefs about the external world on a firm, inner conviction, regardless of the external evidence, or lack of it, for the truth or falsity of these convictions.false

    sticking you fingers in you ears and shouting I'm not listening gets no one anywhere.

    Any being that it is right to call God must know everything that there is to know.false

    all a deity must do is create the universe

    Torturing innocent people is morally wrong.true

    what else is there to say

    If, despite years of trying, no strong evidence or argument has been presented to show that there is a Loch Ness monster, it is rational to believe that such a monster does not exist.true

    the burden of proof lies on the one making assertions generally. of course one cannot really go out and search for god which is why strong atheism doesn't really appeal to me.

    People who die of horrible, painful diseases need to die in such a way for some higher purpose.false

    obviously

    If God exists she could make it so that everything now considered sinful becomes morally acceptable and everything that is now considered morally good becomes sinful.false

    sin is a human concept controlled by humans

    It is foolish to believe in God without certain, irrevocable proof that God exists.false

    strong evidence will do just fine, especially since you cannot really prove anything.

    As long as there are no compelling arguments or evidence that show that God does not exist, atheism is a matter of faith, not rationality.false

    duh.

    The serial rapist Peter Sutcliffe had a firm, inner conviction that God wanted him to rape and murder prostitutes. He was, therefore, justified in believing that he was carrying out God's will in undertaking these actions.false

    firm inner convictions with no evidence may help you sleep at night, but they are not justifiable

    If God exists she would have the freedom and power to create square circles and make 1 + 1 = 72.false

    all a deity must do is create the universe

    It is justifiable to believe in God if one has a firm, inner conviction that God exists, regardless of the external evidence, or lack of it, for the truth or falsity of the conviction that God exists.false
     

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