jjkrause84
King
Is it just me or does it seem like battleships come far too late? There is something strange about having an army of Great War Infs, gatling guns (why not MGs?), artillery, and....early modern-era frigates.
1944 and 45 when American Aircraft Carriers tore the Japanese Yamato-class "super battleships" to pieces in battle after battle
They're missing a WW1 style dreadnaught.
The point stands, though. Battleships were rendered obsolete by carrier fleets and it's odd to get them both on the same tech. Aircraft Carriers are the most powerful ships in the world, to this day, and they're oddly niche units in Civ.
So you get stuff that obsoletes instantly when you get it. No such problem occured for me on civ 4.
They're missing a WW1 style dreadnaught.
Septic said:They're missing a WW1 style dreadnaught.
Veneke said:Actually the Ironclad now fills this role admirably.
I agree, though I'd prefer to see a pre-dreadnought (could be called "cruiser" or simply "capital ship"), since dreadnoughts were basically the first battleships. Even though pre-dreadnoughts became obsolete with the introduction of the dreadnought, they still made up a huge part of pretty much any navy around 1900 and even saw major usage in WWI and still some more in WWII.
Except ironclads are melee units and not even capable of entering ocean tiles. And the gap in effectiveness between battleships and frigates is just HUGE, so adding an industrial era pre-dreadnought would be entirely justified, I think.
Try some of the mods that extends each eras where research takes just as long as in a marathon game but the buildings and units finish just as quick as in normal games.
You will get plenty use out of each and every units you build - most of my battleships I used well into an Information era as carrier escorts were upgrades from my medieval era wooden ships!
The point stands, though. Battleships were rendered obsolete by carrier fleets and it's odd to get them both on the same tech. Aircraft Carriers are the most powerful ships in the world, to this day, and they're oddly niche units in Civ.
They're missing a WW1 style dreadnaught.
Actually, that's not entirely true. "Aircraft carriers" were in existence before WWII... they started around 1911 (not dedicated carriers per se but naval ships carrying planes) and while not as prevalent in navies as they are today, there were naval air launches. What took dominance of the seas from battleships and gave them to carriers was not the sudden appearance of carriers... it was the more advanced planes (which is pretty much how it works in Civ V, once you get WWII era fighters/bombers the carrier becomes more powerful).