BBC reporter's captors release video

[nonconformist]

So you dont have a link, or story from a reliable source that states this. Thanks.

Data including all my calculations can be found here.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=169708

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Yes.

Bozo: Your quote reminds me of a certain book that's been very popular amongst neo-cons:

"The Arab Mind". The first review in that link is quite worthwhile.

This is a must-read book -- not because it is necessarily brilliant or especially insightful, but because so many people cite it and it captures well many common conceptions of and judgements about the Arab World. I have read this twice since 9/11 along with many other books to come to understand the culture in which I now live and teach. Each time I come away more unsettled, especially as Patai seems all too often to be saying that because the rhetorical strategies and the logical patterns of Arabs may (or may not) be different from Western minds, they are inadequate. While he doesn't often say this directly, the judgementalism that undergirds his discussion screams aloud this view. In many instances, he makes sweeping generalizations about the nature of all Arabs by citing a single instance, whether in Palestine, or Morroco, or Iran, or where ever. He then uses this one instance to make a grand claim that sounds good, but which may or may not have any legs to it. The nature of Arabs is no more universal from country to country than the "West" is universal from France to the US to Germany. Some of his arguments are grounded in citations of the work of others, but it is difficult to know the value of those as, again, there is much that is done as case studies of a single village or situation but used by this author as evidence for a much wider conclusion of the nature of the Arab mind. As an American living in the Gulf, it saddens me that the richness of the people and cultures here become so caricatured in this work. Read it--but don't assume that its pronouncements are gospel.

Ram, I guess you mean this quote. I dont doubt that we Westerners create caricatures of the Arab reality, but the fact is that the Arabs are beset with enemies. Whether its the Israelis, or the Americans, or the secular dictatorships we keep in power. The only common denominator is that we are the enemies of the Arab people, because we chose to be. Their greivances are more legitimate than our own. For every 3000 we lose in the conflict, they lose 3 million.

 

[Rambuchan]

Ram, I guess you mean this quote. I dont doubt that we Westerners create caricatures of the Arab reality, but the fact is that the Arabs are beset with enemies. Whether its the Israelis, or the Americans, or the secular dictatorships we keep in power. The only common denominator is that we are the enemies of the Arab people, because we chose to be. Their greivances are more legitimate than our own. For every 3000 we lose in the conflict, they lose 3 million.

Aye, that's the one and I'm agreed on your summary.

Do you think he will be released eventually?

 

[CartesianFart]

Alan Johnson who?

He will be release and then another exciting book will be published with details of his already obscured captivity with mundane sympathetic overtones toward his captors and their sense of struggle.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Aye, that's the one and I'm agreed on your summary.

Do you think he will be released eventually?

I cant tell if its my guess or my hope, but I think he will be released, within the next few weeks. Not because we are so smart, but because the retards who are holding him will eventually realize that they have more to gain by releasing him. And I hope when he's released that he doesnt leave Blighty, from then onwards, and never rides motorcyles at high speed.

 

[MobBoss]

Data including all my calculations can be found here.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=169708

Linking to a civfanatics thread which in turn has no valid links isnt exactly a valid source....sorry.

Now, could you give me a link to say a BBC story that verifies your claim? Or any other reputable news source outlet?

 

[Rambuchan]

I cant tell if its my guess or my hope, but I think he will be released, within the next few weeks. Not because we are so smart, but because the retards who are holding him will eventually realize that they have more to gain by releasing him.

Sounds like you're on fire today Bozo. They've got their message out there now. It's on the front page of every noteworthy newspaper website and will be so in the papers tomorrow. A bit like the release of the British naval officers (or were they marines?) who 'strayed into Iranian territorial waters' earlier this year. Ahmadinejad got his message across and then that was that. They really have nothing to gain from killing him.

And I've just realised that I've been misspelling the poor guy's surname all thread. doh!

 

[Bozo Erectus]

MB, Im curious. In a case that involves the kidnapping of a 'Left' leaning reporter, by Arab militants, on which side will you associate yourself?

 

[nonconformist]

Linking to a civfanatics thread which in turn has no valid links isnt exactly a valid source....sorry.

Now, could you give me a link to say a BBC story that verifies your claim? Or any other reputable news source outlet?

If you don't beleive me, you can tally up the figures and do the maths yourself, but all figures were drawn from a secondary compilation of data.

 

[CartesianFart]

I cant tell if its my guess or my hope, but I think he will be released, within the next few weeks. Not because we are so smart, but because the retards who are holding him will eventually realize that they have more to gain by releasing him. And I hope when he's released that he doesnt leave Blighty, from then onwards, and never rides motorcyles at high speed.

I think your ass is on fire from eating too many fava beans to say the least. I can can sense it from you smelly words.

I don't think whatever organization that uses kidnapping as a means to gain publicity for their cause will inspire anyone who is doing well in life to care about what their holy struggle.Maybe inquiring minds who have leftist leanings.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I think your ass is on fire from eating too many fava beans to say the least. I can can sense it from you smelly words.

Welcome back Cartesian

I don't think whatever organization that uses kidnapping as a means to gain publicity for their cause will inspire anyone who is doing well in life to care about what their holy struggle.Maybe inquiring minds who have leftist leanings.

You miss the pint entirely my dear cartesian friend, nobody in the Gaza strip has anything to lose. Might as well fight the Israelis, its not like they have any other options.

 

[CartesianFart]

You miss the pint entirely my dear cartesian friend, nobody in the Gaza strip has anything to lose

Nobody in the Gaza Strip has anything to lose?I am going to repeat this in my head since i am having trouble understanding that there is in general all Palestinians who reside in the Gaza Strip has anything to lose,and that there is no remote possibility of the leadership in Palestine is doing more damage than good by not recognizing Israel statehood as the means for this violence to end. This is unwinnable and i feel no sympathies to some people who resort to barbarity of kidnapping and terror to give justification for violence toward foreigners or people outside of their communities when in fact the reason of their poverty is the failure and manipulation of the Palestinians and the so-called people(Iranians,Syrians to say the least) who uses the Palestinian leaders as merely extension of their proxy war against the West encroachment in the Middle-East.

Might as well fight the Israelis, its not like they have any other options.

Might as well kidnapp their own leaders and sell it others who do not like them since it would be hitting two birds with one stone on relieving their real problem.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Cartesian, my friend, the Palestinian people in the Gaza strip are living 'Escape from New York' Im not kidding. Before you pass judgement on them, try living in their shoes for a month or two. Then and only then report back, and tell us who is the real enemy. BTW, I love you, you nut!

 

[CartesianFart]

Cartesian, my friend, the Palestinian people, in the Gaza strip are living 'Escape from New York' Im not kidding. Before you pass judgement on them, try living in their shoes for a month or two. Then and only then report bhack, and tell us who is the real enemy.

Well said and let me remind you in favor that i am about to ask for you is thislease go ahead and vacation in Gaza Strip for about a month or two and come back tell us how is it like to live in thier shoes as well.

BTW, I love you, you nut!

BTW,when you are vacationing in the Gaza Strip to persuade me of the errors of my ways,don't be scared of being kidnapped since your penchance to over-eat fava beans will surely repell those kidnappers away from your toxic flatuence.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

I never said I was going there, Cart.

 

[nivi]

BTW,when you are vacationing in the Gaza Strip to persuade me of the errors of my ways,don't be scared of being kidnapped since your penchance to over-eat fava beans will surely repell those kidnappers away from your toxic flatuence.

A decent burp is considered good manners after eating at an arab man's house, don't know how well recieved flatuelence are.

 

[CartesianFart]

I never said I was going there, Cart.

Did you not say this:"Before you pass judgement on them, try living in their shoes for a month or two. Then and only then report back, and tell us who is the real enemy."

How can you have a better judgement than myself by stating that you never went there and tell me that my judgement is in error because i have not been there?Isn't it of what you have said that both of us in the predicament have no real justification to tell anyone on how or what it is like to be a Palestinian Kidnapper?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

If I was stupid enough to go there, Id obviously be offering myself as a sacrifice. It would be silly to feign surprise if I was captured.

 

[MobBoss]

MB, Im curious. In a case that involves the kidnapping of a 'Left' leaning reporter, by Arab militants, on which side will you associate yourself?

I would be on the side that would like to see the reporter rescued and out of harms way and his captors brought to justice.

And you? Which side would you be on?

 

[MobBoss]

If you don't beleive me, you can tally up the figures and do the maths yourself, but all figures were drawn from a secondary compilation of data.

Are you an expert in this field? No. Investigative reporter well versed in the data? No. Accountable to anyone for honesty in your findings? No. Are you extremely biased in your opinion on the issue? YES. Have you made errors due to your bias in the past? YES. Do you have access to all the pertinent and factual data? Probably not.

Please dont kid yourself that you wouldnt call bullcrap on me if I tried to present data that I had compiled myself with no resouce to link to at all. You most certainly would do the same thing I am asking, so either provide a valid resource that agrees with your 'findings' or not.

Since we have been around this 4 times now and you havent been able to link to any source aside from one thread you created, it should be dismissed as biased data.

Again, if you are going to comments on such data as a matter of fact you should be ready to provide non-biased and reliable sources for that data that support your finding and corroborate it.