Because We Have a Problem: 2016 Forcasting List

[bhsup]

How should I know?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Man, it's almost a guarantee that the first time race is brought up, it's a liberal that is doing it. For all your baseless allegations of racism against conservatives, race sure never seems to be far from y'alls mind. Maybe some latent/closet racism going on there that you're ashamed of?

I specifically mentioned the Tea Party types that think Obama is a closet Kenyan. They are the types who drive primaries, just like the pinko socialist feminists drive democratic primaries. I'm not saying that all Republicans are racists, but there are a subset who are and they tend to drive the primaries.

Also, everything that's been posted about the difficulty of approving Rubio stands. The party seems to like him, but they act contrary to the best interests of hispanics.

How should I know?

I dunno, the way you 'know' I'm a closet racist. That post really offended me as I wasn't talking about all Republicans in my previous post - only about the dynamics of the primary process.

 

[bhsup]

Okay first thing I'm sorry. I shouldn't have made such a sweeping generalization and I do apologize for that. It was wrong and totally unfair of me (especially embarrassing since I yelled at someone not long ago for doing the same thing) and you're right to call me out for it. I really am sorry.

Second, I didn't actually get your intent for "Republican primary" types to mean tea partiers so again I am sorry for misunderstanding your post. Though to be honest I don't really think that's the case, nor that most tea party folks are racist for that matter. Crazy maybe, but not necessarily racist.

That said, if you honestly look at who brings up race first most of the time here in OT, it's usually folks that would be deemed liberal or left or basically whatever you want to use for non conservative. It's just weird and I don't get it, but I guess that also has nothing to do with 2016 so I also apologize for derailing the thread.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Okay first thing I'm sorry. I shouldn't have made such a sweeping generalization and I do apologize for that. It was wrong and totally unfair of me (especially embarrassing since I yelled at someone not long ago for doing the same thing) and you're right to call me out for it. I really am sorry.

Second, I didn't actually get your intent for "Republican primary" types to mean tea partiers so again I am sorry for misunderstanding your post. Though to be honest I don't really think that's the case, nor that most tea party folks are racist for that matter. Crazy maybe, but not necessarily racist.

That said, if you honestly look at who brings up race first most of the time here in OT, it's usually folks that would be deemed liberal or left or basically whatever you want to use for non conservative. It's just weird and I don't get it, but I guess that also has nothing to do with 2016 so I also apologize for derailing the thread.

Apology accepted. And I apologize for not being clearer myself and for generalizing tea party types.

You're probably right about us libs bringing out the race card though. But it's hard not to when there are posters of Obama-as-chimp flying around on the webs.

 

[Murky]

Here's a question:

IF Rubio got the nomination, would Latinos switch party allegiance?

I think Rubio would have to switch party allegiance to have a realistic chance at the nomination.

 

[WindFish]

really? Do tell me all the ways their foreign policies are identical.

gwot.

 

[downtown]

I think Rubio would have to switch party allegiance to have a realistic chance at the nomination.

Thats ridiculous. He's path to power came on the backs of the Florida Tea Party.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

I think Rubio would have to switch party allegiance to have a realistic chance at the nomination.

I think he can and will win the 2016 GOP nomination if Obama wins in November.

The days of racists having influence in the GOP are quickly coming to an end.

 

[Murky]

Thats ridiculous. He's path to power came on the backs of the Florida Tea Party.

I think he can and will win the 2016 GOP nomination if Obama wins in November.

The days of racists having influence in the GOP are quickly coming to an end.

It'd be great to be proven wrong on this. I can't see him winning a primary election in states like Arizona. Florida is a lot more open minded. I could see him being reelected there as often as runs for office for quite some time.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

gwot.

But it's changed since W's days. For one, it's probably being executed more agressively.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

It'd be great to be proven wrong on this. I can't see him winning a primary election in states like Arizona. Florida is a lot more open minded. I could see him being reelected there as often as runs for office for quite some time.

He might not win Arizona, I think he will win the primary by getting the coastal and Northern states.

 

[WindFish]

But it's changed since W's days. For one, it's probably being executed more agressively.

Yes and No

Yes because of the drones but No as Obama hasn't invaded anywhere yet.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Yes because of the drones but No as Obama hasn't invaded anywhere yet.

He did get involved in Uganda and Libya.

 

[WindFish]

He did get involved in Uganda and Libya.

Libya wasn't an invasion

 

[Ajidica]

He did get involved in Uganda and Libya.

I'm surprised you are digging out Uganda as it was around 200 special forces soldiers sent there as part of a peacekeeping operation done in conjunction with the African Union to provide aid and training to the Ugandan Army in fighting rebels (the violent, crazy kind).

As far as Libya went, IIRC, it was primarily a French led movement with American assistance (because the Brits currently don't have a carrier and the French carrier wasn't enough) to enforce a UN No Fly Zone that as far as I know passed with limited opposition.

I'm often one of the first to criticize our rather hawkish foreign policy, but you can do far better than Libya and Uganda if you want to critize Obama on military grounds (such as the substantial increase in drone attacks).

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

I'm surprised you are digging out Uganda as it was around 200 special forces soldiers sent there as part of a peacekeeping operation done in conjunction with the African Union to provide aid and training to the Ugandan Army in fighting rebels (the violent, crazy kind).

As far as Libya went, IIRC, it was primarily a French led movement with American assistance (because the Brits currently don't have a carrier and the French carrier wasn't enough) to enforce a UN No Fly Zone that as far as I know passed with limited opposition.

I'm often one of the first to criticize our rather hawkish foreign policy, but you can do far better than Libya and Uganda if you want to critize Obama on military grounds (such as the substantial increase in drone attacks).

I was just giving two examples, I'm not in any way comparing them to Iraq. I also think that the US was semi-justified in Afghanistan, but should have pulled out sooner.

 

[LucyDuke]

It was obvious all through the primaries that the Republicans were not happy with Romney as nominee presumptive. That's why all the other dwarves had their moments in the sun. But there simply wasn't a candidate in that race that had less flaws than Romney (to the primary voters and donors eyes) and had any form of an organization to take advantage of the opportunity. Which again speaks to the strategic failure of the Republicans to get a better candidate up there.

There's also the "wanted to run against Obama" factor. Which is just one of what I imagine to be a variety of "wanted to run [now]" factors. It sure looked like none of the adults were willing to even get involved, and they're not dead.

 

[dutchfire]

It'd be great to be proven wrong on this. I can't see him winning a primary election in states like Arizona. Florida is a lot more open minded. I could see him being reelected there as often as runs for office for quite some time.

Honestly, I think the anti-latino thing will go away. Surely the money behind the GOP doesn't mind cheap labor, the latinos are generally pretty socially conservative/religious, which would make them likely GOP voters, and I think the general GOP public can just as well be made angry about abortions/health care/whatever as on immigration. All the Republicans need to do, is just stop talking about immigration and use other talking points instead. Then a Latino candidate could easily bring many of them into the GOP coalition.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Libya wasn't an invasion

Which is another way the gowt has evolved since W.

I'm surprised you are digging out Uganda as it was around 200 special forces soldiers sent there as part of a peacekeeping operation done in conjunction with the African Union to provide aid and training to the Ugandan Army in fighting rebels (the violent, crazy kind).

As far as Libya went, IIRC, it was primarily a French led movement with American assistance (because the Brits currently don't have a carrier and the French carrier wasn't enough) to enforce a UN No Fly Zone that as far as I know passed with limited opposition.

I'm often one of the first to criticize our rather hawkish foreign policy, but you can do far better than Libya and Uganda if you want to critize Obama on military grounds (such as the substantial increase in drone attacks).

Pretty sure he wasn't criticizing Obama about that. The original OT discussion was about how Obama's foreign policy is different than W's.

 

[Frozen In Ice]

What about Mitch Daniels for the Republicans?