Been Playing Civ too Long

[Peng Qi]

Don't kid yourself. 7% of the bombs used in Gulf War I were the so-called smart bombs you see on the TV news. Around a third were this time around.

We're actually capable of such precision with artillery shells. We don't need smart bombs to do minimal collateral damage. Most of the civilians killed since Iraq began were killed by locally-formed death squads. That's a fact.

 

[Spearthrower]

except maybe Thailand is guilty of the same crime you're accusing the United States of.

Nope - Thailand too.

You may have noticed some glaring fallacies in your post.... but then again, given your ability to ignore such fallacies as undermining the Geneva Convention: maybe not.

I'm assuming you have video proof of all of this assassination and terrorism.
I'm just asking you to prove it, which you're not doing a stellar job of doing.

Now it's "video proof" rather than decisions made by the World court.

We're actually capable of such precision with artillery shells. We don't need smart bombs to do minimal collateral damage. Most of the civilians killed since Iraq began were killed by locally-formed death squads. That's a fact.

More obfuscation- what has death squads got to do with this when we are talking about numbers of deaths caused by allied "strategic" bombs?Comparing it to numbers of people killed by donkey kicks would be equally fallacious and absurd.... slippery logic all throughout.

None of you lot here are in any way prepared to take responsbility for the immorality of your current government, and accordingly, you deserve all that happens to you because of it.... I just wish the humane people in your country had a way to opt out..... roll on the next elections - the world waits.

 

[meatwad4289]

Sorry Meatwad, what kind of details do you want me to supply?

If you can't read between the lines of my post, I'll leave it for someone else to explain to you "what 3rd world nationalism has to do with the US", because it was quite clear already and I don't intend to offend Americans in general.

no seriously.. theres millions of possiblities going thru my head about 3rd world countries nationalism connecting to the United States. Is it that Americans don't work hard enough so we need to starve them and teach them to love their country more? could it be that the only countries needing nationalism are the ones that have nothing. Or is it that if these countries gather strength they could take over the world. Theres billions of ways of connecting them together. By saying it's clear already, means that... It's to vague to be really clear but if anyone really cared enough theyd look into it. But I'm sorry I dont care enough. I feel bad about 3rd world countries, and wish that more support would go towards them instead of the millionaire executives of the Red cross and other charitable organizations, I don't mind them making money, lets face it its a hard job, but some of the income they make is ridiculous. But with the warlords in most of these countries most of that help isn't coming anyway.

I read all the posts, both sides have made absurd statements, but you repeatedly abused people for disputing your bias.... you turned this into a flame war and you can reap the consequences of it - those being a total lack of facts and increasingly absurd counter statements.

LAWL. I laugh at that. Repeatadly abuse people for disputing my bias? I say if you spit on a someone your an ass, if you insult handicap people your an ass. I've said just as much as others and even insulted myself. I just hit a wider audience total lack of facts has been this entire thread. Neither said has put up enough facts to back their claims.

I didnt state any conspiracy theories at all, perhaps you misunderstand the use of the word. I stated opinions - I don't need to emulate other people's thoughts when I have a perfectly functioning brain of my own... one which also avails itself of international news rather than subscribing to a nationalist rag that stirs hearts and closes minds.

half of the opinions about draft dodging, oil executives, and blah blah blah have been repeated over and over and over again. If it's something you can't actually prove(and I mean more than some guy saying "well gee i think they did use hitlers urine to power uranium") then it's conspiracy theory. those have been repeated over n over again by others. it's nothing new. You'll probably say you can prove it but can you? 100%? hell ill except 95%.

Hard facts? Please dont make me laugh, you have ignored enough facts already and stated your opinions entirely as truth without supplying even a shred of evidence (aside from claiming that you were knowledgeable enough at school to take over the class - *ahem*).... what gives you the right to turn round and demand anything now having abused countless posters with your opinionated tripe? If you had set about this thread as an argument based on facts, we could have been having a nice discussion now, with supporting arguments... but why should I waste my time locating and quoting things for you when you are only going to call me an "ass" anyway for disputing you?

Well, lets see I had taken over the class, you don't need to believe me. But once again. You're repeating. I mean, didn't you jsut mention facts in the last paragraph? come on. I'm to tired to think like this lol. But hey, you tell me to find credible resources and non of the others did, and I found one(2 if you count the donkey post) for al Gore I just don't care that much in a discussion to research everything that I already know, especially when now one else is doing it lol.

I don't need to inspire you to attack me - but this sentence does engender some insight into your posting. The actual reason you can't respond more effectively is because it's hard to argue with someone from another country when you only have nationalistic drivel to support you - people from other countries will never accept that anyway. *shrugs*

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The reason you're not inspiring me is your repeating the same half ass remarks that others have stated. Causing me to repeat my own halfass remarks. I don't like Repeating 300x over. Now You some what sparked my interest with the last paragraph but.. really just mad me laugh. I wasn't raised to say "America is better than the world" and all that nonsense, I was raised as "China has higher population" "Russians have higher rocket technology levels" "The Isreali and Canadians have a better Air Force than the United States" You can not say America is the best, Just that it's your favorite(not as in your favorite but as in anyone can say its their favorite country) Don't even try to make it sound like I think America has no problems never did anything wrong. America is a country with lots of power and culture right now, in Civ terms its number one on the score chart. But when My civs number one o nthe score chart, I'm not number one in all the fields, I get 2 on approval, 3 on Life span, ect. We could do better, we could do a lot better, but we need another Teddy Roosevelt, or another Regan to lead us there. If we would of never gone into Iraq, I'm sure President Bush would have the highest approval and would of been that leader we needed. But he went to Iraq, he did it to soon wth out enough backing and little strategy. and thats what screwed him over. He's no longer that leader we needed.

but ok.

Yeah I'm sorry you cant interest me as much as the others, it could be im tired of repeating or.. it could be that all my pint up anger is gone now, because a miracle from God. But I guess I can try to get interested enough to attack you. It's not cause your from another country, its cause its the same old dribble from the other posts I want some thign new and fresh. Say hot dogs suck or something. Anything but.. Well in 3rd world countries they have nationlism. SO?!?!?! Hot dogs are so much cooler. Did you know that Hotdogs are in this cotton thing. The started to pack them into these plastic things but they needed to reuse them, eventually they developed this cotton thing that they wrap around the hotdog and leave it there, it keeps the shape and all that, and i guess its edible? Its been a year since i watched that on history channel very interesting. You could attack American Franchises, like Pizza hut(first American Pizza Franchise) or something cool. Attack the south. and if im not tired the n Ill attack you. Your just not interesting enough. A slinkey goes down the stairs over and over again, its fun for 10 minutes, then you put it in ur hands and find somethign to do to with it, that buys another 10 minutes then u hang it from ur hand and have something new for another 10 minutes, then you get bored it geets tangled up and you throw it away because Its a slinkey it does the same thing over n over no matter what you do unless you tangled it up then its not fun at all. this topic is slinkish.

As someone who's met Americans of very different persuasions, my advice is this. Meatwad should get togther a bunch of his flag-waving friends, head to Charleston and secede from the Union.

Dutchking, let them go this time.

Seeing as your attempting to spark the fire, and spear thrower has the fuel. Now. if you only you two could come together and have a legitimate argument with passion. Something I can care about. instead you attack something you know nothing about, I'm hoping your referring to the US's Civil War, cause if your not, then you really don't need to talk.

First off, I'm not from Dixie(The Southern States) I'm not in favor of breaking away from the United States. And if you're going to talk like you know United States History, then maybe you should know that the original succession came from the Original 13 States, leaving the Articles of Confederation and joining under the Constitution. Then a threat of Succession came from the New England States, they backed down, then the Southern States threatened and they broke away. They had every legal right to break away and form their own nation. The Union rejected this and invaded. Don't pretend to know my countries history, and I won't bother to pretend to know yours. If you'd like I could pretend and then dishonor your country, but I could really care less mate.

 

[I'm Cleo!]

Peng Qi,

Just look up Nicaragua v. United States from the International Court of Justice. I'm not saying that the United States is the worst country ever, and I don't think we have the long list of human rights abuses that many other countries have, but if you need proof of the U.S. breaking international law, there it is.

I think a lot of current anti-Americanism is warped by perceptions (correct, in my opinion) of the current U.S. government and what they're doing, but the U.S. doesn't have a clean sheet when it comes to violating international law, and it's not particularly hard to prove.

I'm Cleo!

 

[Methos]

Moderator Action: I'm afraid to take a closer look at this thread, due to all the infractions I can see coming. So instead, let's just close this one and hope you all do too.