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Best Civilization/Country for a Newbie?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by Hypochondriac, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Kid R

    Kid R Emperor

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    I couldn't agree less. Crutches, training wheels etc. were invented for a reason. They help you get to grips with something otherwise hard to learn. I think people posting here have forgotten how bewildering their first game of Civ was.

    Re. learning "good practices", come on the only good practice is to have fun. The first job we have to do with this guy is to get him hooked, not make it sound like filling in a tax return :lol:
     
  2. TheWilltoAct

    TheWilltoAct I am observe

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    Hehe, good points. :lol:
     
  3. Nothingontv

    Nothingontv Warlord

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    I was going to say it doesn't matter that much, but India might actually be a good choice since that civ has the fast worker as UU and beginners usually don't build enough workers.
     
  4. Yoshi1

    Yoshi1 Warlord

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    Indeed Kid R, if i was the new guy i'd be baffled and ask myself: who the hell are those guys :D
     
  5. MarcoPollo

    MarcoPollo Warlord

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    I would say that Ramses is the best one to learn from. SPI is great at trait to learn on as it is flexible and allows beginners to check out the effects of different civic styles without the pain of anarchy. I, myself, would never have checked out serfdom, or Police state had it not been for the SPI abilities. IND is fun as it allows the player to get many of the shinny toy wonders that make the game fun. Plus the UU and UB are early in the game so that the player does not have to wait several thousand years to get to the fun toys.

    It may not be the best player to use over all, but you can learn the concepts of:
    1) early rush
    2) specialist economy
    3) religious economy
    4) wonder lust
    5) failure economy

    And the problems associated with cultural borders are easily mitigated with IND and stonehenge/obelisks. I would say that it is a very good leader to learn from.
     
  6. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    I guess it depends how much self-coddling a player wants. When I started here I wanted to improve quickly; others don't care if they ever improve.

    A lot depends on OP's goals.
     
  7. bobbyboy29

    bobbyboy29 I was saying boo-urns...

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    After having taught my dad how to play, I'd say that hatshepsut is the best leader for training. The main struggles of new players (that can be affected by traits, i.e: there's no "settle in better places" traits) I find are not getting border expansion fast enough and not understanding or using civics. Creative makes getting the first border pop a non issue and highlights it's importance to the player and spritual removes the opportunity cost of civic switching (before the player learns about timing GA's) this allows them to try ot more civics and see hich ones work the best and are most effective.
     
  8. Blue Arc

    Blue Arc Chieftain

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    Stick with the Americans, I started playing this game using them, use the American with the Financial trait though, it's good for making sure you don't have to worry about money and is great for expansion.

    Also this game is very confusing at first, look around the forums and you'll learn alot. Once you get the basic stuff down, you'll be playing at Monarch in no time.

    Oh, and welcome to the forum!
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  9. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    In BTS no American has FIN.
     
  10. Kikka

    Kikka Chieftain

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    Shaka.....so you dont meet him ingame.:mischief:
     
  11. Kid R

    Kid R Emperor

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    Only a cowardly self-coddler would do that.
     
  12. AbsoluteZero

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    I like Willem van Oranje. Creative helps a lot when your new and so does financial. Willem with cottage spam:D The ultimate newby civ.
     
  13. TheWilltoAct

    TheWilltoAct I am observe

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    Lol! Don't take anyone too seriously on here, we're all here to have fun and sometimes we lose sight of that.
     
  14. coanda

    coanda Emperor

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    Newcomers tend to find the following things as helpful crutches while learning*:
    Creative trait - handles those border pops for you.
    Financial trait - makes your empire just more productive
    Aggressive trait - your units will be more likely to survive their first battles.
    Industrious trait - lots of newcomers are wonder-spammers, and Industrious helps make that a workable strategy.

    Some of the early unique units. On Noble and below, the Quecha isn't actually that good, but a few UUs are easy to spam against lower-level AIs...
    -Bowman (Babylon). An archer with +50% vs. melee makes it painfully easy to rush enemy cities defended just by warriors.
    -Immortal (Persia). Scary-good on Noble and below - 4 strength, 2 movement, and +50% vs. archery means they can just go conquer the world.
    -Praetorian (Rome). Simply put, probably the most overpowered unit in the game.
    -Vulture (Sumeria). A very powerful axeman unique, which you can use both for barbarian defense and to take out a nearby neighbor.
    -War Chariot (Egypt). A better Immortal.

    And a few unique buildings.
    -Dike (Dutch) on water maps.
    -Ziggurat (Sumeria)
    -Ikhanda (Zulu)

    I'll repeat - I'm not trying to say these are the best units, buildings, or traits (except the Praet). I'm just saying that these are strong options which it is also very easy for a newcomer to make good use of.

    *As others have noted, over-reliance on these as crutches will eventually make the game start to grow a little stale and prevent you from getting better.
     
  15. Hypochondriac

    Hypochondriac Chieftain

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    Thanks, guys. Started a game with a spiritual leader. Being able to move Civics without penalty really helped
     
  16. Sian

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    no matter what new players do, they shouldn't exclusively play/not play certain nations due to a misplaced national pride ... such as only playing America (which short of traits, which can be handled by unrestricted leaders, hardly is a good civ due to crappylate UU and UB) or downright denying to play certain civs such as non-westen civs
     
  17. Dr.Null

    Dr.Null forIhavetastedthesushi

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    Self-coddling causes blindness.

    Just say "no".
     
  18. Ataxerxes

    Ataxerxes Deity

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    Spiritual is a nice trait to learn with. I think an older post was right, Hatty might be best for a first couple of games.
     
  19. Gwynnja

    Gwynnja Deity

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    @ Hypochondriac: What are your goals?
     
  20. TheWilltoAct

    TheWilltoAct I am observe

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    Maybe he is not goal oriented.
     

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