Best warriors in history?

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Best warriors in history?

  1. the Mongols

    28 vote(s)
    40.6%
  2. the Romans

    25 vote(s)
    36.2%
  3. the Arabs

    4 vote(s)
    5.8%
  4. the Turks, Turkomans or other Turkic people (could include the Huns)

    5 vote(s)
    7.2%
  5. the supposed "Indo-Europeans"

    3 vote(s)
    4.3%
  6. the early German[ic]s (this would include Goths, Vandals, Franks, Vikings, etc)

    15 vote(s)
    21.7%
  7. the Iranians (i.e. the Persians and their ilk)

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  8. modern/early modern Europeans

    11 vote(s)
    15.9%
  9. the supposed "Sea Peoples"

    4 vote(s)
    5.8%
  10. Other

    15 vote(s)
    21.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Globber

    Globber Professional Slacker

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    For the modern era, it would definitely be the Israelis and the Germans. The Israelis because of pure strategic genious against completely stacked odds and huge numerical disadvantage, and the Germans in creation of vastly superior technology and a new style of mechnized warfare.
     
  2. Jace

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    It is really hard to compare, because so many factors should be taken into account. The roman empire in their day had a highly effective military, but that was more due to effective training and equipment than individual skill. This is true for many other, especially modern nations.

    The Turkopols of the middel ages were experts with light cavalry, while the Knight Templars had the best heavy cavalry. The terrain, weather and leadership etc. is always as important as the skill of the warrior/soldier.

    On a patriotic note, I would like to mention that the modern day Danish Jaegercorps is internationally recognized as some of the best special forces in the world. Danish Jaegers attending Ranger training in the US for instance graduated at the top of the class.
     
  3. Yoda Power

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    :confused: I always thought they were the same person?
     
  4. Knight-Dragon

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    Timur and his Timurids did not have a direct relation to the Mongol khanates IIRC, as established by Genghis Khan, although he claimed Mongol ancestry. Timur arose to power in Central Asia after the local Chagatai Khanate went to pieces. His powerbase was Turkic, rather than Mongol.

    If anything, Timur's greatest achievement was to hasten the destruction of the Mongol Golden Horde khanate, which held Russia, which in turn allowed Muscovy to rebel and begin its own climb to power. He was also about to invade Ming China, when he died. Timur was the archetype warlord.
     
  5. animepornstar

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    single units: chinese shaolin monks or japanese hatamoto samurai.

    as group: the mongols.

    pregunpowder of course.
     
  6. Lefty Scaevola

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    I go for Mongols. Roman streng was predominately in organization, strategy, and some in tactics. Individual warrior prowess was not very significant to their success. Discipline was. The legions were designed to fight in mutually supporting formation.
     
  7. Dragoten

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    I agree ;)
     
  8. KoRnEa

    KoRnEa Warlord

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    Koreans had standing armies instead of peasant levies since days of Ancient Choson (2333 b.c. ~ 108 b.c.)

    Koguryo had the top heavy cavalry in east asia.

    Koguryo fought against china numerous times, and to take an example, Sui invaded Koguryo with few million men, and lost to koguryo army of few hundred thousand.. that's:

    Sui Sui Sui Sui Sui Sui Sui Sui Sui Sui

    v.s.

    Kor

    and Kor won.

    losses in korea was one of the major reasons for ruin of Sui.

    Tang that came after attacked Koguryo as well but was defeated.
    tang went and allied with silla because they realized they can't win alone

    Silla-Tang alliance had to fight koguryo at two fronts (tang from west, silla from south) to actualy defeat koguryo.

    after fall of koguryo, the koguryo people scattered in tang joined up and founded parhe out of scratch, and parhe was so strong that not even tang, probably the most powerful nation at the time, could do anything

    it was said that 3 parhe men can go hunting a tiger unarmed (and this is a siberian tiger, too)

    Koguryo, Parhe, and Baekje had great navies, Koguryo controlled the yellow sea and east sea(sea of japan) while baekje controled the sea to the south, with interests in many ports from southern china to south asia, and parhe even led an amphibious assault on the largest port/fort city of northern china and took the castle

    Koguryo and Silla had youth groups(?) where young men practiced martial arts and learned to be a man and etc. Sun Bae and Hwa Rang.

    Koryo used gunpowder in weapons(or maybe it's in battle) before anyone else

    Koryo, a tiny korean state, fought against mongols for 40 years.

    Choson built the first rocket launcher vehicle in the world, the first ironclad warship in the world, etc.

    during koryo and choson, korean villigers on coastal cities had to deal with japanese pirates, making them tough

    most of japanese martial arts have their roots in korea. karate, judo, kendo, iaido(sp?), etc..

    modern north and south korea are both very tough, with 1.2 and 0.7 million men respectably, and each one is very tough thanks to rough history and hard training.

    north korea is one of few coutries that can scare the U.S. (or at least california, alaska, and hawaii, which are within range of daepodong II.. all of U.S. in range by 2015)

    (don't get me wrong, i don't support north using nukes and missiles and keeping up an army of over a million while 2 million north korean people have starved)

    south korean marines have never lost a battle, and earned nicknames like "ghost busters" "invincible RoK marines" "legendary rok marines" over the course of Korean war, vietnam, etc. in vietnam, korean soldiers went out with machetes rather than rifles on ambushes because they found they could get more kills this way.
     
  9. Knight-Dragon

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    The Sui didn't have a few million men in that army invading Korea, only one million and mostly conscripts. I don't think anybody can raise and organise an army of millions in pre-modern times...

    And the Han ruled over N Korea thru out its entire existense. :p

    Though I'd agree Korea had always been 'troublesome' to the Chinese. :hmm: :)
     
  10. gugalpm

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    Rome... as a warrior people.
    They went from controlling only one city to controlling most of the ancient world...
     
  11. cromagnon

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    I voted Mongols & Romans for the same reasons as Lefty.

    I've always thought Tamerlane (Timur Lang)'s most infamous achievement was massacring entire Persian cities, then piling all the skulls into a giant tower. :p
     
  12. gael

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    I have to agree when it comes to individual warriors.
    Those shaolin monks can take a full force kick in the jimmy without even batting an eyelid.
    Even that would bring a tear to old Temajins (sp?) eye.:eek:
     
  13. Hurricane

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    NINJAS! :ninja:
     
  14. animepornstar

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    those skills are called qi-gong and do only work when the practicioner is stationery and his qi is focused, and they are therefore quite useless in combat.

    still the shaolin monks were and are extremely skilled with many kinds of weapons, including their own bodies.
     
  15. gael

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    Do you know anything of thier history. (ex. Why they trained so hard to fight, who did they fight etc)
     
  16. Ancient Grudge

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    buddist warrior monks :)
     
  17. animepornstar

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    i think it started as a way to improve the monks meditation. then they also had use for it to protect themselves from wild animals and bandits and so it went on.

    you will probably find out more if you search google. ;)
     
  18. KoRnEa

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    there was over one million in troops and couple more million carrying supplies.. notice i said few million men rather than few million troops

    nope, not N korea, but laiodong.. and that was only like 300 years compared to ancient choson ruling that region for two thousand years before that, and koguryo taking the land back after those 300 years..

    I'd say China was troublesome to the Koreans, not the other way around.. after all, China was the aggressor in majority of the conflicts :)
     
  19. Knight-Dragon

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    You're exaggerating the numbers. All in total probably about one million troops. The supply corps were troops as well, not porters.

    China didn't have that kind of numbers after the Dark Ages of the preceding centuries. And a lot of people were working on the Grand Canal as well, which was as big a cause for the fall of the Sui.

    But even a million is a mighty huge number. ;)

    The Chinese were hampered more by geography, supply problems and idiotic commanders (there was a purge), than by the Koguryo.

    It was North Korea. The Han established 4 commanderies in the region; with the Lolang commandery even surviving the demise of the Han by awhile.

    The Han ruled Liaodong as well, of course.

    Hey, the Chinese did send armies to help out during the three times Japan invaded Korea in history. Ungrateful lot. :p

    And Korea was troublesome in the way that it's a valuable supply base for whomever intending to invade China - be it the Mongols, Jurchen Jin, Khitan Liao, Manchus or the Imperial Japanese Army.
     
  20. Knight-Dragon

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    I still think you have watched way too many Chinese gongfu movies... :)
     

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