I've seen some *theories* being floated around about the order of importance, so allow me to challenge that by what the order of importance for the staple civilizations actually should be.
I mean, you all know where this will be going (the pretentious European thoughtpiece ofc), but let's do it anyway
01. Rome
02. Egypt
03. Greece
04. Persia
05. China
06. India
07. Mongolia
08. France
09. Germany
10. England
11. Russia
12. The Mesopotamian Civ (one of Assyria / Sumer / Babylon <- this my my prefered order of the three btw)
13. Arabia
14. Japan
15. The indigenous Latin American Civ (Maya, Inca or Aztecs - again in prefered order)
16. Spain
17. Ottomans 18. America
America ranks ahead the staple African Civ (Ethiopia, Zulu, Mali, etc) and the staple South East Asian Civ (Khmer, Siam, etc). Yeah they should be a part of the base roster but they're also the dodgiest inclusion on that roster. Impact on world history is pretty low, I'm afraid, at least until WW2 and the policy of Interventionism that followed. Without the Iron Curtain, the US's contributions to world history itself are slightly larger than those of Brazil. A memorable culture for sure, but not a crucial one in a game that spans millennia worth of history. They're objectively a Civilization that can be rolled back to an expansion.
Those were my two cents to the conversation. You may now continue your squabbling.
10 associated wonders + Oxford University + the other Mughal wonder that is not associated (Taj Mahal/Red Fort)
So we have 12 modern + 12 exploration + 20 antiquity = 44 wonders in total (45, if you count the Serpent Mound). This is actually much larger than any previous base game civ and not far off the total wonders Civ6 had when complete with all the DLCs.
10 associated wonders + Oxford University + the other Mughal wonder that is not associated (Taj Mahal/Red Fort)
So we have 12 modern + 12 exploration + 20 antiquity = 44 wonders in total (45, if you count the Serpent Mound). This is actually much larger than any previous base game civ and not far off the total wonders Civ6 had when complete with all the DLCs.
It is suspiciously late yeah. Combined with one of Taj Mahal/Red Fort being the other unassociated Wonder, it's enough to make me believe it's planned to be the English or British associated wonder for the Modern Era. Assuming the Rise to Rule DLC even includes a Modern Era Civ, of course.
Note: Firaxis has removed the March release date from the description of the Crossroads of the World DLC, though the Right to Rule DLC still says September.
Note: Firaxis has removed the March release date from the description of the Crossroads of the World DLC, though the Right to Rule DLC still says September.
„Royal Society“ is one of the best picks for science. However, the building that houses it is nothing special. Hence, I guess it would work better as an ability than a wonder, and the latter can have a different focus - the British museum, Battersea power station, Westminster Palace, Buckingham Palace, Royal Crescent, St. Pancras, St. Paul, etc. There are more than enough iconic buildings from the modern era.
If we are staying with the British theme then they could do the British Museum, and base it primarily off of Natural History.
But I am thinking they will want to go for Big Ben as the assocoated wonder.
Oxford basically taught Theology and Classics until the late 19th century. They didn't add 'Natural Sciences' and Modern History (as in, Post Roman) studies until after 1853, and didn't award their first PhD in mathematics until 1921!
I had thought the placement of Oxford was off in Civ VI until I looked up its history: it was almost entirely worthless as a 'science' establishment until the mid-19th century. The advances in science/philosophy made by Oxfordians before that were entirely due to individual talent and capability (Grosseteste, Boyle, William of Ockham, Hobbes, Bentham, Locke, for examples) not any teaching from the university.
Re-reading what others have discovered; I've come up with a new prediction:
I think Oxford being an early Modern era wonder suggests England will be in the game as a Modern Civ with that as its associated wonder. Whether this is in the base game or DLC we don't know; however before America's bonuses were announced, I would have assumed their railway affinity would have been English instead, as we did invent them and first established railways, making them a key part of private industrialization which built up the country and empire in it's colonies.
I'm still sure that "Britain" will be a Atomic/Information (4th Era) Civ; probably getting a delayed Palace of Westminster (Elizabeth Tower/Big Ben) tha appears at the start of the 4th era.
England also fits the alphabetical order of the civs that the Normans can accend to, of which the Normans, to my understanding, were Vikings which went on to conquer and colonize France, England and Sicily; not Germany. (Charlemagne on the otherhand would have an affinity with France, Germany and Italy, but he wouldn't cause a Modern era civ to become avaliable).
Because of this, I'm confident England will get in the base game.
Considering the apperance of Hohenzollern flags and dark uniforms, as well as the Brandenburg Gate in the modern era; I think Prussia will be the other Modern age Civ (with Germany being a Atomic/Information/4th Age Civ)
The reaching to get an England civilization into the game continues, I see. The idea that they would put England in the era starting forty-some years after the Act of Union is frankly risible to me, and the idea that they're holding Britain back for a fourth age when America is already confirmed to be in the third make no sense whatsoever. Surely if they were holding names back for a fourth age, America would be at the top of that list.
As to Oxford University, the "Prestigious English University" wonder has been tied with the Scientific Revolution in nearly every Civ games except IV and V : it was Newton's College unlocked by Theory of Gravity in I-III, and Oxford University unlocked by Scientific Revolution in VI. It's pretty clear that in those games (and in VII), the wonder isn't just the actual university, but the university as a center of the scientific revolution. In Civ VII terms, that put it on the cusp between late exploration and early modern.
England also fits the alphabetical order of the civs that the Normans can accend to, of which the Normans, to my understanding, were Vikings which went on to conquer and colonize France, England and Sicily; not Germany. (Charlemagne on the otherhand would have an affinity with France, Germany and Italy, but he wouldn't cause a Modern era civ to become avaliable).
England would indeed fit on that screen perfectly. Huh.
Spoiler:
But I don't pay much attention to matching the HIDDEN box anymore, except for the names that definitely don't fit (so "Germany" and "British Empire"). If we are getting British civs, I'd bet on names like Great Britain/Britain in the 3rd age, and United Kingdom for the possible 4th. And maybe England as a Norman civ persona or whatever. And if England and Prussia were to both appear, what would the latter evolve from? I still think it's Prussia and Russia, but the lack of alphabetical order if it is true is a good observation.
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Yeah they should be a part of the base roster but they're also the dodgiest inclusion on that roster. Impact on world history is pretty low, I'm afraid, at least until WW2 and the policy of Interventionism that followed. Without the Iron Curtain, the US's contributions to world history itself are slightly larger than those of Brazil. A memorable culture for sure, but not a crucial one in a game that spans millennia worth of history. They're objectively a Civilization that can be rolled back to an expansion.
