If we assume that we correctly know all the base game Modern wonders (as we have seen the trees and know there are 16), and that the civs in the first DLC will use base game wonders, and that there will be at least one Modern civ in the first expansion, then there are only three Modern wonders unaccounted for:
Oxford University (Britain)
Hermitage (Russia)
Brandenburg Gate (Germany)
If these assumptions are correct, then I think by process of elimination we already know the last two base game Modern civs and the one Modern civ in the first DLC. The only things to quibble about would be what the actual names are, and which two are in the base game.
(I'm ignoring there being two Mughal wonders, as I don't think that could be relevant to this issue.)
Re-reading what others have discovered; I've come up with a new prediction:
I think Oxford being an early Modern era wonder suggests England will be in the game as a Modern Civ with that as its associated wonder. Whether this is in the base game or DLC we don't know; however before America's bonuses were announced, I would have assumed their railway affinity would have been English instead, as we did invent them and first established railways, making them a key part of private industrialization which built up the country and empire in it's colonies.
I'm still sure that "Britain" will be a Atomic/Information (4th Era) Civ; probably getting a delayed Palace of Westminster (Elizabeth Tower/Big Ben) tha appears at the start of the 4th era.
England also fits the alphabetical order of the civs that the Normans can accend to, of which the Normans, to my understanding, were Vikings which went on to conquer and colonize France, England and Sicily; not Germany. (Charlemagne on the otherhand would have an affinity with France, Germany and Italy, but he wouldn't cause a Modern era civ to become avaliable).
Because of this, I'm confident England will get in the base game.
Considering the apperance of Hohenzollern flags and dark uniforms, as well as the Brandenburg Gate in the modern era; I think Prussia will be the other Modern age Civ (with Germany being a Atomic/Information/4th Age Civ)
There is much more evidence pointing to Russia and Germany being included at launch than the British/English. Something resembling Russian architecture was even spotted somewhere. The inclusion of Oxford University doesn’t mean much, as we have several wonders without their corresponding civilizations. Moreover, I’d say the Big Ben is much more likely to be the wonder associated with the British.
Personally, I think the British will be released in 'Right to Rule' with an English leader.
There is much more evidence pointing to Russia and Germany being included at launch than the British/English. Something resembling Russian architecture was even spotted somewhere. The inclusion of Oxford University doesn’t mean much, as we have several wonders without their corresponding civilizations. Moreover, I’d say the Big Ben is much more likely to be the wonder associated with the British.
Personally, I think the British will be released in 'Right to Rule' with an English leader.
Big Ben for Britain, but not England. Britain won't be until Age 4, England would be Age 3 (it been driving me insane as a Brit seeing everyone say "Britain" instead of "England" for Age 3)
Big Ben for Britain, but not England. Britain won't be until Age 4, England would be Age 3 (it been driving me insane as a Brit seeing everyone say "Britain" instead of "England" for Age 3)
We don’t know if there will be an Age 4 and if there was, “Britain” would fit best at the time of the British empire (Age3)
Age 4 would be best as either UK or England…because that would be a non empire civ. (or maybe Commonwealth)
Big Ben for Britain, but not England. Britain won't be until Age 4, England would be Age 3 (it been driving me insane as a Brit seeing everyone say "Britain" instead of "England" for Age 3)
The reaching to get an England civilization into the game continues, I see. The idea that they would put England in the era starting forty-some years after the Act of Union is frankly risible to me, and the idea that they're holding Britain back for a fourth age when America is already confirmed to be in the third make no sense whatsoever. Surely if they were holding names back for a fourth age, America would be at the top of that list.
I don't see any reason to think one of the three civs (Britain/Russia/Germany) will be left out of the base game to be added on a future 4th age, but instead just them needing more variations on the base game because of the system while only having 10 slots for each age. And then as many said, the left one between the three is very likely to be added as part of the dlc pack coming march as a Modern Age civ.
Big Ben for Britain, but not England. Britain won't be until Age 4, England would be Age 3 (it been driving me insane as a Brit seeing everyone say "Britain" instead of "England" for Age 3)
Almost definitely wrong. The Modern age begins in 1750, and end in the 1950s, and while there is some flexibility for those dates, that's half a century after the Acts of Union and England ceasing to exist as an independent state. It is, however, the British Golden Age thorugh and through (while a hypothetical Age 4 would not be that).
The madness here isn't people calling the Modern civ "Britain". It's the desperate clinging to England.
Oh yeah, Britain is very possibly being left out to be added in a DLC.
But "it's going to be England in Age 3 and Britain is being kept for Age 4" is utter and complete nonsense.
Almost definitely wrong. The Modern age begins in 1750, and end in the 1950s, and while there is some flexibility for those dates, that's half a century after the Acts of Union and England ceasing to exist as an independent state. It is, however, the British Golden Age thorugh and through (while a hypothetical Age 4 would not be that).
The madness here isn't people calling the Modern civ "Britain". It's the desperate clinging to England.
The modern nation IS usually, commonly and informally called, "Britain," in the RW. Though I, myself, am banking and betting absolutely nothing on this Fourth Age, which may end up being unused ghost code.
I know the modern nation is informally known as that. The modern nation has been informally known as that for over two centuries, and was known as that through its entire golden age circa 270 years ago to 70 years ago. Hence my deep skepticism that the name is somehow going to be held back for a hypothetical era that would be firml after the British golden age.
The modern nation IS usually, commonly and informally called, "Britain," in the RW. Though I, myself, am banking and betting absolutely nothing on this Fourth Age, which may end up being unused ghost code.
The funny thing is, Britain, Germany, and Russia all can easily have a second wonder with precedent in the Civ series itself and none are bound to the one already in. Big Ben for Britain, Ruhr Valley for Germany, and St. Basil's Cathedral (or Kremlin for the modern age then) would all make it easy to keep the base game wonder from that country an unaffiliated one.
The funny thing is, Britain, Germany, and Russia all can easily have a second wonder with precedent in the Civ series itself and none are bound to the one already in. Big Ben for Britain, Ruhr Valley for Germany, and St. Basil's Cathedral (or Kremlin for the modern age then) would all make it easy to keep the base game wonder from that country an unaffiliated one.
I agree with Big Ben. As for Russia, I think the Hermitage is fine especially if they want to represent Imperial Russia from St. Petersburg. I consider St. Basil's Cathedral to fit better in Exploration. If Germany is indeed Prussia, then the Brandenburg Gate would fit for both.
St. Basil's Cathedral fits well for Muscovy, but there are plenty of options for a Russia in Exploration, with Novgorod and Kievan Rus' being other candidates. Although I'd love to see the cathedral back in any form, it's so beautiful and distinctive.
One of them (Right to Rule) doesn't include World Wonders, so presumably they might be from civs that wouldn't have an associated wonder in the game yet.
I'm going with Britain and Russia, if for no other reason than that there is no Exploration Age civ it would make sense to form Germany with. The closest available options are Mongolia and the Normans, and both of those options are a bit too far away imo
Frederick the Great at launch wouldn't surprise me, though
Lots of French leaders or closely related to them, but no British leader so far. At this point, even the most optimistic among us need to acknowledge that all signs point to the British being definitively absent at launch.
That said, I don't think the wait will be long. The British are perfectly suited for Right to Rule.
Although, the reveal of France does provide a biiit more hope for Britain? We know that the Modern age cultural path is tied to archeology, and with France’s design having nothing to do with Egyptology, one may wonder which of the remaining speculated civs will lean into it, if not Britain. Or will there be no such bonus in the base game at all?
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