Most of the founder beliefs reward you for spreading your religion (Tithe, Church Property, Ceremonial Burial, Initiation Rites, Papal Primacy) BUT, Holy Order, gives cheaper missionaries and inquisitors Messiah, gives cheaper and stronger great prophets Missionary Zeal, gives stronger missionaries This does not make sense at all. Why would you pick these three founder beliefs? They make it easier to spread your religion. But the question is. Why would you spread your religion? With these founder effects, you don't gain happiness, gold, or culture by spreading religion. In fact, you allow your rival cities to use the follower beliefs and pantheon at the cost of your OWN faith...which is a negative! These three beliefs should be enhancer beliefs. The only positive I can think of, coming from the above 3 founder beliefs, is the Just War enhancer, which may make it meaningful to adopt any of the 3 founders listed.