Well since the previous discussion got RD'd and then eventually locked I wan to start a new one because I think there is still and will continue to be plenty of ground to cover on these topics. For example. . . The GOP talking points, first obtained by Gizmodo and passed out by the Senate Judiciary Committee, suggest that investigators could use “Internet data as a starting point” in launching an investigation. That’s a radical departure from what is understood to be legal and would allow the Department of Homeland Security to collect data on, for instance, every person who visited a website sympathetic to protests in Portland, then begin to surveil each of those people, hunting for a crime that could justify an arrest — an arrest that could then be carried out by unidentified federal troops driving unmarked vans. https://theintercept.com/2020/07/21/fisa-surveillance-dragnet-warrants-dhs/ One of the most depressing things about becoming progressive type over the last ten years is realizing just how far we have to go to get almost anywhere on our causes. Watching establishment democrats support police state garbage like this reiterates that point.