Basically none of them had any trouble dropping the phrase when they realized it was damaging. One can care about all lives, even if you don't use certain phrases
BLM and Protesting
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I was under the impression some people here don't find it enough to not be against a group, but that non active support itself is something horrible. Now one reads that even antipathy for the group is ok, as long as it comes from another minority.
Consistency is always helpful - until it is not.
Berzerker
Deity
Doesn't Antifa and BLM blame other people when bad things happen during their protests?
Why would a racist believe all lives matter?
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Kyriakos is engaging in putting words into people’s mouths and trying to gloss it over with complications, but this is how I have parsed the statement.
1. Kyriakos claims that people here believe: those who do not support LGBT rights are doing a wrong.
2. Kyriakos claims that people here believe: refusing to actively support LGBT rights is a wrong.
3. Kyriakos further claims that those same people believe black people who are against LGBT rights should be tolerated.
it’s simple to put into words once you get rid of all the passive voice.
Here are counterarguments.
1. Yes, refusing to support LGBT rights is a wrong.
2. Non active support is fine but this is specifically a confrontation. You are being called to opine one way or another. Those who claim to provide non-active support have nothing to lose from making their position clear, if they are truthful in their support.
3. Of course minorities can be homophobes and transphobes. It would be a racist assumption to believe they could not. However, they are not as primary of a threat to LGBT communities as christian conversion camps and conservatives such as libertarians, both of which are majority white and richer.
1. Kyriakos claims that people here believe: those who do not support LGBT rights are doing a wrong.
2. Kyriakos claims that people here believe: refusing to actively support LGBT rights is a wrong.
3. Kyriakos further claims that those same people believe black people who are against LGBT rights should be tolerated.
it’s simple to put into words once you get rid of all the passive voice.
Here are counterarguments.
1. Yes, refusing to support LGBT rights is a wrong.
2. Non active support is fine but this is specifically a confrontation. You are being called to opine one way or another. Those who claim to provide non-active support have nothing to lose from making their position clear, if they are truthful in their support.
3. Of course minorities can be homophobes and transphobes. It would be a racist assumption to believe they could not. However, they are not as primary of a threat to LGBT communities as christian conversion camps and conservatives such as libertarians, both of which are majority white and richer.
GenMarshall
Sin'dorei ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
They would use it as a shield and would happily appropriate the slogan for their own means. They can’t exactly use “White Lives Matter”.
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
They don’t, yet they say it anyways, because they are reacting to the slogan of Black Lives Matter. By chanting all lives matter, they imply that BLM movement does not care about all lives, without evidence.
Racists do not care about whether they speak the truth. They don’t care whether their belief system is entirely logical and consistent. All they care is the shutting down of all attempts to establish justice, whether socially or economically, forever. They’ll say whatever they have to do accomplish this goal.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
"Never believe that [bigots] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [bigots] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Jean-Paul Sartre
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Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
A slave owner in antebellum south would agree that his slaves' lives matter too so how could he be racist?
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Why I'm sure that slave owner would own white slaves if he could; it's merely an unfortunate coincidence that all of his slaves are non white
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Or a better analogy: The founding fathers signed a document that said "all men are created equal" so there no way any of them were racist. Why would they sign it if they din't believe that were true?
Ever consider that maybe many were lying, didn't consider other races to be 'men' or that they did mental contortions so that it jived with their racism? Could the same apply to the All Lives Matter crowd? Ya think?
Ever consider that maybe many were lying, didn't consider other races to be 'men' or that they did mental contortions so that it jived with their racism? Could the same apply to the All Lives Matter crowd? Ya think?
Berzerker
Deity
Wouldn't 'white lives matter' be the racist response, not 'all lives matter'? Why would racists believe the people they hate matter? A shield from what? Wont their fellow racists hear them claiming ALL lives matter and disown them (or maybe become less racist...or both)? Has the KKK endorsed 'all lives matter'? There are reasons people dont like having someone's motto shoved down their throat that have nothing to do with race.
Are you asking to argue or because you don't understand?
Seon
Not An Evil Liar
Because the majority of people are in agreement that open racism and injustice should not be tolerated.
I think this would be obvious.
I think this would be obvious.
Berzerker
Deity
tuckerkao
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All lives should Equally Matter, no 1 person should be more important than the other as far as how the civil rights go, the protesters really need to take breaks and curfews, they are spreading the coronavirus.
Heh, whites were also used as non-free labour in the form of indentured servitude…
The US is a screwed-up place.
Berzerker
Deity
I dont think racists care what the majority wants, if they did they wouldn't be racists. Does the majority of racists believe all lives matter? Just seems strange, 'all lives matter' is so antithetical to racist ideology. I'd think racists would just remain silent instead of lying about what they believe and pissing off their fellow racists with 'all lives matter'.
Farm Boy
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But that takes all the fun out of being a dickhead on the internet. They probably just moved onto a new dogwhistle. Otherwise, what's the point? So just gotta figure out which phrase they use it is.
Lexicus
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Racists don't actually believe all lives matter, they just say it. That's the whole point. The "all lives matter" people don't even believe the lives of white people killed by the police matter.
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