Well, what do you think the average Black protestor is protesting during the BLM protests?
Blacks are more likely protesting in good faith, but I imagine plenty are also just violent opportunists.
Here's a video from the early days of the riots, between a good faith activist and Antifa:
And what percentage of non-black participants do you think are appreciated (due to solidarity) by the Black protestors?
This isn't about solidarity.
I've yet to see someone whip out the trusty All Lives Matter slogan in a context that isn't in resistance to Black Lives Matter. If you truly believe the former, you are a believer of the latter, and yet it's never used in solidarity and always in opposition.
This is... just as bizarre a misreading as people who think BLM means
only black lives matter. The All Lives Matter people are objecting to what they see as an exclusionary emphasis on black people, which is probably because the phrase Black Lives Matter was needlessly petulant and inflammatory to begin with (it could just as easily have been Black Lives Matter
Too).
No one is claiming that 'black lives don't matter'. And there are those who aren't even involved with politics enough to understand that it was used to oppose BLM, so they
do say it in support and end up paying with their
jobs or
lives.
Because of that, it is not surprising that people wielding All Lives Matter would, for example, be anti-trans. You're taking the slogan at face value when its so-called believers haven't acted in a way to deserve it.
Lol it's a reaction to your camp putting every progressive cause together in a single jar (if you support blacks you must support LGBTQ and Palestinians and natives and any other oppressed). Believe me, that's
not the right-wing mentality.
My point is that we simply don't have the information available to characterize the situation as you've characterized it. I'm not saying for sure that it was an "individual crime". Just because a crime took place "in the middle of a protest" doesn't mean that all the protesters somehow bear collective moral responsibility for the crime,
They're guilty by degree. No, they don't all deserve to be charged with murder.
or that the crime is necessarily linked to the protest in any way.
"I don't like the politics of these people so I'll blame them all for any bad thing that happens while they're protesting" is a very generic right-wing take, not a Mouthwash one.
...
This isn't what I said. The fact that "All Lives Matter!" was quickly replaced by "Kill Transgenders!" is just a particularly obvious illustration of the fundamental dishonesty of people saying "All Lives Matter"; it doesn't mean that anyone who says "All Lives Matter" wants to kill transpeople.
An overpowering stench of... honesty and good faith, or something else?
Neither of our links said anything about "the mob burning a man alive" or whatever you claimed.
He died in a burning building set alight by a member of a violent mob.
Don't you think it's kind of, like, textbook pretentious intellectual behavior to try to judge the character of protests from thousands of miles away via twitter and other websites, which you've claimed in the recent past to hate and that you want to unplug? How can anyone take your view of these protests seriously when you're like 10,000 km away from the nearest ones?
Did... did you just say this? Is this something that was actually typed out by Lexicus?
Some racists in this thread want us to consider that Black folks are statistically more likely to be homophobic than white folks. That might matter in a fantasy world where Black homophobes have the leeway, political power, and social permission to indulge their hatred.
Said the quiet part out loud there.
You're not being challenged over supporting a group more hostile to gays than the one oppressing them, you're being challenged over your identification of the two movements
as one and the same. And it only works if you suppress what one group (in a shocking twist, the one you don't belong to) really thinks!
Well, no, I understand you’re trying to argue that Black people are a problem for LGBT rights, but that doesn’t change that you’re wrong about who the most successful antagonists of the queer community actually are. It’s not Black people who run conversion camps.
The idea of a therapy summer camp is the whitest conceivable thing, so I'm not at all surprised that blacks aren't involved. Their treatment of LGBT people is probably similar to that of conservative Catholic/Muslim immigrants (I heard somewhere that 'black trans women are at the highest risk of violence'
).
"Never believe that [bigots] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [bigots] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Jean-Paul Sartre
Passing off one of the most famous condemnations of antisemitism in modern history as supporting your movement by replacing the word itself with 'bigotry' is, well, exactly what I would expect from people who care more about our usefulness than our lives.
But from someone
outraged by 'All Lives Matter'!
whoa it's only exactly what we've been saying since May
Both sides have different stories and then when the truth comes out the winner rants about having been right after all while the loser totally ignores it. Nothing interesting or new about that.
