BLM and Protesting

[warpus]

The breast cancer thing is actually a good example of an issue that doesn't have a clear solution. So much money goes to breast cancer research, and as a result we've minimized the deaths that occur from this. Yet something like prostate cancer gets so little attention even though it's killing more people now.

The solution is for sure not to show up at a Breast cancer fundraiser and yell stuff about your butt though.

 

[Lexicus]

I can think of worse apologists.

So you wink and smile about the goddamn Holocaust but we're supposed to believe that you're really afraid of "black supremacists" committing large-scale violence against Jews? Please.

 

[Crezth]

Funny how, when it's a cause you don't like, then it is inextricably linked to, and responsible for, any bad thing that can be tied to it in even the most tenuous way. Yet when it's a cause you do like, it remains pure and unsullied by all the bad things done in its name.

In fact, spotted this after writing that:



So since you're definitely not right-wing and wouldn't do this, I guess we can deduce that you don't actually hold all those good people at the Unite the Right rally culpable for the actions of that one guy with his car then?

No, of course you do, because the first paragraph I wrote is true. What you're proposing as a "generic right-wing take" is actually just standard partisan behaviour that all partisans engage in, but somehow are unable to see in themselves.

Manfred Belheim heroically reminding us that not all Nazis were Hitler.

 

[Gorbles]

I didn't mean literally giving them puberty-blockers (what would the point be?), I was just referring to the general way in which very young children are now being encouraged/groomed into becoming trans for dubious reasons.

You didn't literally mean the thing you claimed, and then tried to back up with links.

This is why I pointed out the strawman.

 

[Lexicus]

Funny how, when it's a cause you don't like, then it is inextricably linked to, and responsible for, any bad thing that can be tied to it in even the most tenuous way. Yet when it's a cause you do like, it remains pure and unsullied by all the bad things done in its name.

"In its name"? This is a body found in a building. Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that this was "in the name" of any cause. There is in fact plenty of evidence that James Fields ran his car into those protesters "in the name" of a cause.

Your desperation to pretend that there is an equivalency between fascists and these BLM protests is really more pathetic than anything else.

So since you're definitely not right-wing and wouldn't do this, I guess we can deduce that you don't actually hold all those good people at the Unite the Right rally culpable for the actions of that one guy with his car then?

No, the murderer is responsible for the murder. I have maintained that the people at the Unite the Right rally were all white supremacists and that murders are to be expected when you let white supremacists plot together and have political demonstrations, but not that they are all collectively guilty of murder.

 

[Crezth]

Said the quiet part out loud there.

You're not being challenged over supporting a group more hostile to gays than the one oppressing them, you're being challenged over your identification of the two movements as one and the same. And it only works if you suppress what one group (in a shocking twist, the one you don't belong to) really thinks!

They’re not the same but they do intersect. Many gays hate Black people too, because where groups intersect you have shared perspective. So, what we are really discussing when we speak of these groups’ perspectives is the perspective of certain subsets of those groups: it is straight Black people who share homophobic tendencies with straight white people and white LGBT people who share racist tendencies with white straight people. In reality not a single one of these groups is homogeneous, but through socialization a shared perspective becomes propagated as if it was homogeneous, because people don’t like disagreeing with the social current. Individually I don’t think people have much choice in whether, growing up, bigoted thoughts are cultivated within them - it is an inevitable consequence of socialization. If your family is sitting around the table talking about lazy Blacks, that will imprint on you.

Thus what we identify as the actual problem is the system under which this socialization and reinforcement of dominant norms is propagated. The enemy has never actually been all individual white people except in the tortured siege mentality of some white people, the enemy is an unjust regime of social hierarchy, misinformation, and exploitation that defends itself with armed police and lying politicians (and which many white people stand blindly by out of some misguided desperation to maintain some concept of status). If there are differences to be resolved between minority groups, let them be solved out from under the aegis of a social regime that sics police pigs on peaceful protesters, between free communities of equals and not separate marginalized communities fighting over scraps from the table.

 

[Kyriakos]

One symptom of the ludicrously low level of the political debate on this, is that there are now literally hundreds of youtube channels presenting right/far right views. The content there is absolute garbage, but the larger ones have hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

Well done, US public. You managed to carry the rest of the world down the gutter

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, it's not like "western civilization" didn't grow out of some pretty sketch foundations.

 

[Lexicus]

is that there are now literally hundreds of youtube channels presenting right/far right views.

And yet, the view that the right/far right is being "censored" is somehow given, uh, any credence whatsoever. Very strange.

 

[Kyriakos]

And yet, the view that the right/far right is being "censored" is somehow given, uh, any credence whatsoever. Very strange.

Seriously, the content there is emetic, and yet they are popular & make money.

 

[GenMarshall]

And yet, the view that the right/far right is being "censored" is somehow given, uh, any credence whatsoever. Very strange.

Even after unsubscribing from certain YouTube channels vowing to walk away from the alt-right, the algorithm is still screwed up that there’s still some of them that fall into the cracks even if I stated watching more lefty (Politically) oriented channels or watching anything that’s not related to politics like science, technology, and history channels.

I’ve questioned the validity of their claim. As an experiment did a search of them when they claim “Google is censoring me! Shadowbanning muh videos!”. Low and behold the search results came up with them in it and concluded they were playing chicken little crying the sky is falling and appealing to fear.

 

[Lexicus]

Even after unsubscribing from certain YouTube channels vowing to walk away from the alt-right, the algorithm is still screwed up that there’s still some of them that fall into the cracks even if I stated watching more lefty (Politically) oriented channels or watching anything that’s not related to politics like science, technology, and history channels.

make a new account

 

[Syno]

Even after unsubscribing from certain YouTube channels vowing to walk away from the alt-right, the algorithm is still screwed up that there’s still some of them that fall into the cracks even if I stated watching more lefty (Politically) oriented channels or watching anything that’s not related to politics like science, technology, and history channels.

I’ve questioned the validity of their claim. As an experiment did a search of them when they claim “Google is censoring me! Shadowbanning muh videos!”. Low and behold the search results came up with them in it and concluded they were playing chicken little crying the sky is falling and appealing to fear.

In the sidebar, hover over an offending video, click the three dots, and then click Not Interested.

If you have the patience, you can also go back in time in your Watch History and remove videos. I'm not sure if there's a way to just wipe it all in one go.

 

[Kyriakos]

Does youtube have any "ban channel" option?
(or at least ban user - though surely ban channel would be more useful)

 

[Mouthwash]

I really don't think they're misunderstanding. They just dislike that equality might be coming. They enjoy being on top

Yes, you've got it, you've completely cracked the case!

So you wink and smile about the goddamn Holocaust but we're supposed to believe that you're really afraid of "black supremacists" committing large-scale violence against Jews? Please.

I'm sorry, did you expect a somber, earnest response to someone comparing the police to Auschwitz guards? Don't I get to be offended at that? He's also cheered on people getting fired for essentially expressing half-hearted support for BLM. I have better uses of my time than engaging with... individuals... like him.

 

[Takhisis]

did you expect a somber, earnest response

So you're admitting to dishonesty? Asking for a friend.

 

[Takhisis]

And yet, the view that the right/far right is being "censored" is somehow given, uh, any credence whatsoever. Very strange.

It's like Fox News proclaiming itself not-mainstream and a record-breaking leader in terms of audience.

 

[Crezth]

I'm sorry, did you expect a somber, earnest response to someone comparing the police to Auschwitz guards? Don't I get to be offended at that?

The SS were police.

 

[warpus]

I'm sorry, did you expect a somber, earnest response to someone comparing the police to Auschwitz guards? Don't I get to be offended at that? He's also cheered on people getting fired for essentially expressing half-hearted support for BLM. I have better uses of my time than engaging with... individuals... like him.

I'm just talking about the people who complain that "Black Lives Matter" means that only Black lives matter. The rest of the stuff you're talking about, which is pretty much all of your post, I don't know much about any of that, so I refuse to comment.

 

[Crezth]

You know it is pretty funny that as soon as Mouthwash got upset that the Blue Lives crowd was being conflated with transphobes, he was winding up an unprompted screed against delusional transpeople and their abuse of children. You can’t make this up because if you did your editor would say “No, dude, c’mon, this is way over the top.”