BLM and Protesting

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: Ok. Enough of discussing each other. How about we try a novel idea and discuss the topic without mudslinging?

 

[Takhisis]

OK…

Help Me Find Trump’s ‘Anarchists’ in Portland
The president has his politically driven narrative. And then there’s reality.

PORTLAND, Ore. — I’ve been on the front lines of the protests here, searching for the “radical-left anarchists” who President Trump says are on Portland streets each evening.

Spoiler :

I thought I’d found one: a man who for weeks leapt into the fray and has been shot four times with impact munitions yet keeps coming back. I figured he must be a crazed anarchist.

But no, he turned out to be Dr. Bryan Wolf, a radiologist who wears his white doctor’s jacket and carries a sign with a red cross and the words “humanitarian aid.” He pleads with federal forces not to shoot or gas protesters.

“Put your gun barrels down!” he cries out. “Why are you loading your grenade launchers? We’re just standing ——”

Dr. Wolf, an assistant professor at Oregon Health Sciences University, helps at a medic stand operated by volunteers from the medical school. Could they be radical-left anarchists? No, they’ve imposed order on the anarchy of the street by establishing qualifications for field medics and a hierarchy among them, so that any badly injured protester will immediately get the right kind of care.

Accomplishing all this while tear gas is swirling and impact munitions are whizzing by, without even asking for insurance cards — that seems the opposite of what fanatical anarchists might do.

Maybe the rioting anarchists were in front of the crowd, where there are discussions about Black Lives Matter? I found musicians and activists and technicians, who were projecting a huge sign on the wall of a nearby building — “Fed Goons Out of PDX” — that seemed a bit geeky for anarchists.
Oh, wait, there was a man using angry language about the federal “occupation” and calling it “abhorrent.” Lots of protesters don’t seem to like him, so could he be a crazed anarchist rioter?

Oops, no, that’s just Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, sputtering after being tear-gassed by the feds.

Then I heard someone calling for the overthrow of Portland’s “leadership,” and I’d figured I’d finally found an anarchist. But it turned out to be Maria Bartiromo of Fox News, asking Chad Wolf, the acting head of homeland security, “Why can’t you just arrest the leadership in Portland because of their ignoring what’s really happening on the ground?”

She may be a crazed anarchist trying to topple legitimate authority, but I doubt she’s the kind Trump meant.
Snipped pic: Demonstrators for Black Lives Matter were part of Sunday’s protest in Portland.
The Wall of Moms is now a regular presence at the protests.

OK, I’ll fess up: Sure there are anarchists and antifa activists in the Portland protests, just as there are radiologists and electricians, lawyers and mechanics. Report on the ground here and any single narrative feels too simplistic. The protesters aren’t all peaceful, nor are they primarily violent. They’re a complicated weave, differing by time of day.

In the evening, the throngs are entirely peaceful, listening to speeches about Black Lives Matter, and the authorities do not intervene. Then, as if following a script, about 11 p.m. some protesters begin to shoot fireworks or set small trash fires. (No, they’re not trying to burn down the federal courthouse, as Wolf suggests.)

Some of these late-night protesters try to provoke the federal forces, partly to show how federal agents overreact with indiscriminate force. Meanwhile, Trump is deploying federal forces to provoke protesters into using violence that he can campaign on.
Provocateurs are found in both the streets and the White House.

We see dueling narratives. One is Trump’s, and it portrays Portland and other cities with protests against police brutality as teetering on the abyss and requiring his Lincolnesque hand to hold America together. The other is — well, shall we call it reality? Yes, there’s violence and vandalism, as well as opportunistic looting, and it’ll be a challenge to manage it, but local officials are much better placed to do so than the White House.

Oregon and Trump administration officials on Wednesday announced an agreement to reduce tensions around the federal courthouse. But the timing and extent of the withdrawal of federal forces was unclear.

I’m against all violent attacks on officers, and I worry that Trump’s provocations are succeeding in seeding violence — as we’ve already seen in Seattle, Oakland and elsewhere. Every time angry progressives burn a building down, they win votes for Trump.

That’s what this is about: politics. The big threat in Portland and across America is not anarchists but Covid-19, so Trump welcomes street clashes to change the subject. If he actually cared about the defacement of the federal courthouse in Portland, he would remove the graffiti; instead, he leaves it there for photo ops. It’s the protesters, not the federal authorities, who deploy teams each night in Portland to clean up the area around the courthouse.

It also must be said that while there’s violence from both sides, what I’ve seen firsthand is that the most violent behavior overwhelmingly comes from the federal agents, and indeed the most serious injuries have been suffered by protesters. Your federal tax dollars paid to shoot a man in the face with a “less lethal” munition — an unprovoked assault that left him with a fractured skull and possible brain damage.

If you want to call one side “rioters” or “anarchists” working to create tumult in Portland, it’s the uninvited feds who qualify.

Also (pictures snipped, check the original page):

Federal Agencies Agree to Withdraw From Portland, With Conditions
Gov. Kate Brown of Oregon said the teams would begin a withdrawal on Thursday. Federal officials cautioned that they would withdraw only when they were confident the federal courthouse could be secured.

The arrival of federal officers triggered a dramatic escalation in protests in downtown Portland, Ore.
Credit... Mason Trinca for The New York Times

Spoiler :

For days, as fireworks and tear gas erupted in the streets of Portland, Ore., during the deployment of federal tactical teams cracking down on raucous demonstrations, President Trump campaigned against protesters he described as “sick and deranged anarchists & agitators” who he said had threatened to leave Portland “burned and beaten to the ground.”

But even as the president was doubling down, Vice President Mike Pence and other senior administration officials were negotiating an agreement with Oregon’s governor, Kate Brown, to begin withdrawing the federal tactical teams from Portland.

On Wednesday, Ms. Brown announced that the federal law enforcement agents guarding the federal courthouse in downtown Portland would begin withdrawing as early as Thursday. “We know where we are headed,” she said. “Complete withdrawal of federal troops from the city and the state.”

Federal officials confirmed an agreement but hedged on the timing, cautioning that a departure would depend on the success of the state’s promise to secure the area.

“Our entire law enforcement presence that was currently in Portland yesterday and the previous week will remain in Portland until we are assured that the courthouse and other federal facilities will no longer be attacked nightly,” Chad F. Wolf, the acting secretary of homeland security, told reporters on Wednesday.

The agreement, although tenuous and framed by political divisions, marked a stark turnaround for an administration that had aggressively defended the presence of the federal forces. Federal agents more prone to investigating drug smugglers than handling demonstrations had come to the city without the support of local leaders and found themselves mired in an endless cycle of clashes with demonstrators who opposed their presence.

While Mr. Trump has used images of tactical agents cracking down on protesters in his campaign videos, there was an increasing sense in the administration that the violent scenes of unrest linked to federal agents in Portland could risk becoming a liability, an administration official said. Among the thousands of protesters who had joined demonstrators in recent weeks were a Wall of Moms, nurses in scrubs and military veterans.

The agreement to hand over responsibility to the Oregon State Police represented a tactical retreat from the continuing confrontations while allowing the administration to save face by saying it had accomplished its main objective, the security of federal properties.

“President Trump and his administration have been consistent in our message throughout the violence in Portland: The violent criminal activity directed towards federal properties and law enforcement will not be tolerated,” Mr. Wolf said. “State and local leaders must step forward and police their communities.”

Mr. Trump cast some doubt on Wednesday about the administration’s willingness to leave.

“You hear all sorts of reports about us leaving,” Mr. Trump said hours before the announcement of the agreement. “We’re not leaving until they’ve secured their city. We told the governor. We told the mayor. Secure your city. If they don’t secure their city soon, we have no choice. We’re going to have to go in and clean it out.”

Later in the day, the president said on Twitter that Fox News had reported “incorrectly” about what was happening in Portland, though he was not specific. “We are demanding that the Governor & Mayor do their job or we will do it for them,” he wrote.

Officials in Oregon said they still expected the withdrawal to be carried out in the coming days.

State and federal officials had largely not been communicating over the past two weeks as the protests continued to escalate, filling the void with public denouncements of one another.

The move toward a resolution began last week, when Ms. Brown reached out to Mr. Pence, her closest contact in the White House.

Ms. Brown had spent months working with Mr. Pence on the coronavirus pandemic, at times pleading for more federal support, but this time she came with a request for less federal involvement, telling him that the deployment of U.S. tactical teams on the streets of Portland needed to end.

pic: A protester ducked behind a makeshift shield during an overnight confrontation in Portland."

After contacting Mr. Pence’s office last week, the two had a phone conversation on Monday, which led to further conversation with the White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, according to Ms. Brown and administration officials. Mr. Pence also contacted Mr. Wolf, letting him know about the possibility of an agreement.
Later that day, Ms. Brown met in Portland with officials from the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security; she offered the possibility of using the Oregon State Police to help secure the federal buildings.

Advisers to Ms. Brown said she acted in order to give the Trump administration “an exit strategy,” as one put it, from an increasingly volatile situation. The meeting marked the first substantial progress after weeks of an apparent stalemate.

pic: Hundreds gathered at the federal courthouse in Portland on Tuesday night.

The deployment of federal law enforcement officers in Portland came as demonstrations there, which were started to protest the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody, persisted through June. With protests boiling around the country, Mr. Trump issued an executive order to protect statues and federal property, prompting the Department of Homeland Security to send teams to the federal courthouse in Portland.

The militarized tactical teams that arrived around the July 4 weekend immediately began to employ aggressive tactics to keep demonstrators away from federal property. One protester was shot in the head with a crowd-control munition, and a Navy veteran was hit repeatedly with a baton as he stood still. In a tactic that was challenged in court by the Oregon attorney general, the federal officers used unmarked vans while arresting protesters.

While the political officials traded insults, some demonstrators turned their frustration to the presence of the tactical teams. The Trump administration defended the deployment by citing a federal statute that allows the homeland security secretary to deputize agents to protect federal property. Those officials can also conduct investigations into crimes against the property or federal officers.

But the agents, which included teams from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the U.S. Marshals and the Border Patrol’s equivalent of a SWAT team, also pursued protesters through the streets, at times with tear gas, into areas where the courthouse was no longer visible. The tactics of the agents prompted investigations by the inspectors general for the Departments of Homeland Security and Justice. But city and state officials made no progress until this week in ending the deployment.

The weekslong breakdown in communication is especially detrimental to a Homeland Security Department that serves as the conduit between state governments and the Trump administration not just for law enforcement matters, but also for responding to the pandemic and securing the election.

Michael Chertoff, a former homeland security secretary in the George W. Bush administration, said that while the agreement was a “positive step forward,” the past month of heightened tensions and traded insults should serve as “a wake-up call to the department and the state and locals about the importance of keeping these relationships warm.”

Not doing so can slow the response or make it too aggressive, Mr. Chertoff said.

The announcement of an imminent withdrawal in Portland came a day after officials in Washington State announced the departure of a federal tactical team that had arrived in Seattle last week. Leaders in Seattle have dealt with their own protests, including one over the weekend — in solidarity with Portland — that included protesters burning buildings and breaking windows and local police firing crowd-dispersal weapons.

Under the agreement between Ms. Brown and Mr. Wolf, the governor’s office said the Oregon State Police would provide security for the exterior of the city’s federal courthouse, while the usual team of federal officers that protects the courthouse year-round would continue to provide security for the interior of the building.

The agreement sets up a risky situation for Ms. Brown and the Oregon State Police, who will now be tasked with keeping calm at the courthouse. Demonstrations have occurred nightly for more than 60 days, with much of the ire during that time focused on the local Portland Police Bureau.

pic: Federal agents in Portland have been mired in an endless cycle of clashes with demonstrators who saw their presence and tactics as troubling evidence of a federal administration with authoritarian tendencies.

In an email to State Police officers on Wednesday, Superintendent Travis Hampton said he was “very reluctant” to expose his tactical teams to protesters, some of whom may use violent tactics. He called the situation in Portland “dire” but said the community and law enforcement needed the assistance of the state officers.

“They will have the appropriate means to do their jobs and stay as safe as possible — but all eyes of the nation will be on us, particularly when we supplant federal officers at the courthouse in an effort to bring down the protest temperature,” Mr. Hampton said. “It is not a stage we wished to be on, but we will do our part for Oregon. We’ll do our best.”

pic: Peter Buck, 74, struggled to breath after tear gas was deployed during a protest in Portland last week. Federal forces have employed aggressive tactics to keep demonstrators away from federal property.

The news of an agreement for withdrawal found a positive reception among some protesters on Wednesday.

Peter Buck, 74, joined the protests after federal agents arrived in Portland, toting a leaf blower to help clear away tear gas. He said he was delighted by the announcement that the agents might leave.

“There’s no way the protesters are going to wear down or get frightened,” Mr. Buck said. “There’s a lot of enthusiasm and it’s going to be amazing if they retreat.”

Mr. Buck, who lives in Washington State, drove to Portland several times to join protests against the federal presence. “The thing that motivated me to go to that city was the idea of sending federal troops against the citizens of this country,” he said.
If the federal agents left Portland, he said, he would support Black Lives Matter events closer to his home, or attend protests in other cities if Mr. Trump deployed federal agents there. “The next place he sends federal troops, I’ll probably go there with my leaf blower,” Mr. Buck said.

pic: After dispersing a crowd of protesters overnight, officers retreated to protect the federal courthouse.

 

[Takhisis]

tl;dr for the above in both 1) and 2) states' rights are toast when the states refuse to do what states' rights supporters actually want them to do
Maria Bartiromo wants local officials arrested by the feds; Donald Trump and his government tell the local government that if they don't do what the feds want them to do then their troops law enforcement agents are staying.

 

[Farm Boy]

In the sidebar, hover over an offending video, click the three dots, and then click Not Interested.

If you have the patience, you can also go back in time in your Watch History and remove videos. I'm not sure if there's a way to just wipe it all in one go.

Don't log in, clear your cookies and history on browser close as a browser option. The geographic estimate will still stalk you.

 

[Takhisis]

Don't log in, clear your cookies on browser close. The geographic estimate will still stalk you.

Yeah, never keep Google's various services logged in; always open a new video in a container or private-browsing window.
The same goes for Facebook and its plugins.

 

[bernie14]

How bout this narrative..
CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT all silent about Bernell Trammell’s execution
...Some black lives matter less?

More on the story

Do you know who a true “peaceful protester” was? Bernell Trammell was an activist for President Trump and his faith, and he did so peacefully. But he doesn’t match the profile for Black Lives Matter to care. Say his name.

Perhaps just some more random black on black crime, perhaps not. We'll see

 

[Takhisis]

Ha, ha, ha.
Try again, bernie 14. The first news item available on that site's main page is: What’s to stop the far-left social-media giants from rigging the election with free-speech bans?

 

[Takhisis]

So back to serious reporting:

Think federal cops in Portland are scary? Cops use 'jump-out boys' all the time
Plainclothes police ‘jump-out boys’ terrorize American cities. Sometimes they become all-out criminal gangs

People in Portland, Oregon, have protested against racism and policing for more than 50 consecutive nights, following the police killing of George Floyd on 25 May. The violence of the police response has further stoked the anger of protesters, as it has around the country.

In response, President Trump has empowered federal agents under the Department of Homeland Security to detain and arrest protesters. Many around the world were shocked when Oregon Public Broadcasting reported that federal agents wearing camouflage were driving around in unmarked vehicles, snatching up protesters and speeding away.

Spoiler :

That description sounded all too familiar. We’ve spent much of the last five years reporting on the Baltimore police department. In reporting our new book, I Got a Monster: The Rise and Fall of America’s Most Corrupt Police Squad, we found that police units in unmarked cars have long used terror and confusion to destabilize communities.

During the uprising following the death of Freddie Gray in police custody in 2015, the national guard snatched up one protester and police attacked another on live television. Away from the cameras, we witnessed other agencies with unmarked uniforms rounding citizens onto school buses, for mass detention, often without ever formally charging them.

Even before the uprising, Baltimore, like most American cities, has heavily relied on aggressive police squads to maintain order. Plainclothes police squads – “jump-out boys” – ride around in unmarked vehicles looking for citizens to tackle or throw against a wall, then search for guns or drugs.

Police departments officially call it “proactive policing”.

Chad Wolf, the acting head of the Department of Homeland Security, recently used similar language on Fox News to describe what is happening in Portland.

“Because we don’t have … local law enforcement support, we are having to go out and proactively arrest individuals,” Wolf said. “And we need to do that because we need to hold them accountable.”

Yet the police themselves are rarely held accountable. “Proactive policing” is, at its core, unconstitutional. These practices presume people guilty and ignore constitutional protections. We, in turn, are all too ready to ignore these violations, especially if the victim has a criminal record and the cops actually find drugs or guns during the search.

The US Department of Justice’s 2017 report on policing in Chicago noted that residents reported that plainclothes units acted like an “occupying army” and made the neighborhood feel like “an open-air prison”. Police in Baltimore, where nearly 80% of the officers do not live in the city, have also been described as an “occupying army”.

Many cities have made a troubling, quasi-fascist trade-off: use terrorizing tactics to heavily police certain parts of the city, in the name of comforting the parts of the city and the suburbs which rarely see plainclothes police.

In June, the New York police department abolished a plainclothes anti-crime unit and reassigned 600 plainclothes officers because of their involvement in a disproportionate number of shootings and their use of “stop-and-frisk” tactics widely considered racist and unconstitutional.

In the New York Daily News, civil rights attorney Joel Berger said he was encouraged by the disbanding of New York’s plainclothes units, which follow an approach “designed as a form of social control to show people in minority neighborhoods who is in charge, just like stop and frisk”.

Even those who support these tactics do not shy from this philosophy. In her 2016 book The War on Cops: How the New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe, the conservative writer Heather MacDonald argued that proactive policing is a form of “urban reclamation”.

In Baltimore, this kind of policing has been exceptionally egregious. A special plainclothes squad called the Gun Trace Task Force (GTTF) was the subject of a sweeping 2017 federal indictment charging eight detectives with robbery and racketeering charges. All either pleaded guilty or were convicted and are currently serving sentences for widespread violations of constitutional rights. Before they became federal prisoners, however, these were decorated and celebrated police officers who acted precisely as we see Trump’s federal agents acting in Portland.

According to the testimony of squadmate Maurice Ward, Wayne Jenkins, a 14-year veteran who ran the GTTF at the time it was taken down, would make as many as 50 unconstitutional stops a night. Jenkins used a technique he called a “door pop”. When he saw a group of Black men standing at, say, a bus stop, he would speed up in his unmarked car and slam the brakes. Another cop would pop open the door and they would chase and tackle anyone who ran. If the person had a gun, they arrested them. If the person had drugs, they stole and sold them. The police considered these people, a federal prosecutor later said, “beneath the law”.

Wiretaps and trial testimony revealed that because Jenkins wasn’t wearing a uniform or displaying any police identification beyond a tactical vest, he often lied to victims and said he worked for the federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) or the US Department of Justice. In one case in 2016, Jenkins and his squad stopped a man and his wife as they left a home repairs store. They took them to an unofficial interrogation site called “The Barn”, where Jenkins claimed to be a federal prosecutor.

Then members of the GTTF took the couple to their home, in another jurisdiction, and detained them for hours. They found nothing illegal, so they didn’t arrest the couple for any crimes. They did, however, steal $20,000 from them.

Because the man had a criminal record, no one believed him when he said police kidnapped and robbed him. The man’s wife later explained that she didn’t know if the people stopping her were even cops. This is common in Baltimore, where police in cargo pants and sneakers prowl around looking for trouble. Sometimes, members of the GTTF even wore masks so residents they ambushed would think they were criminals. In his guilty plea, Jenkins admitted that when he did this to a driver in 2010, the man panicked and crashed into another car killing its driver. Jenkins and a sergeant planted heroin to justify the chase.

These aren’t isolated examples of “bad apples”. The US Department of Justice report on Chicago cites a case where two plainclothes officers wearing all black approached a couple, who thought they were being robbed and fled. One of the officers shot and killed the man.

Whenever there is a perceived crime spike, calls for proactive policing are renewed. When the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes unit, the police union president, Patrick J Lynch, said that “shooting and murders are both climbing steadily upward, but city leaders have clearly decided that proactive policing isn’t a priority” and they “will have to reckon with the consequences”.

After Freddie Gray’s death, a rise in crime in Baltimore quickly turned the narrative from police reform to tough-on-crime solutions that further empower police. Every time members of the GTFF stole drugs or money, it created a ripple effect of violence. Those who were robbed had to answer to people they owed money or drugs. In one case, GTTF officers stole $10,000 from a man who was later murdered over a debt as he returned home from an appearance in court for the gun they charged him with. Of course, his murder, like those of the more than 300 other Baltimoreans killed that year, further justified increasing police powers – and expanding the police budget.

In Portland, we are seeing the federal version of “proactive policing” sow confusion and chaos – and Trump is betting on the turmoil. Unaccountable police, whether in plainclothes or uniforms, create chaos, which allows authoritarian leaders to argue that we need more police power, the very thing that people in Portland – and across the country – are protesting against.

Trump’s federal police simply expand the definition of who is “beneath the law” so that it encompasses white, middle-class protesters as well as Black and brown people. Now, he’s threatening to send the same shock troops to more cities. But our cities do not need more jump-out boys. They’re teeming with them already, and they’ve already contributed enough chaos and violence.

Almost hilarious. Undercover police find a man who's taking $10k to pay a debt. They take the money from him. The man is killed for not paying the debt. The murder is used to justify giving the police more powers and a larger budget. It's like Gary Oldman's character in The Professional.

 

[Mouthwash]

They’re not the same but they do intersect. Many gays hate Black people too, because where groups intersect you have shared perspective. So, what we are really discussing when we speak of these groups’ perspectives is the perspective of certain subsets of those groups: it is straight Black people who share homophobic tendencies with straight white people and white LGBT people who share racist tendencies with white straight people. In reality not a single one of these groups is homogeneous, but through socialization a shared perspective becomes propagated as if it was homogeneous, because people don’t like disagreeing with the social current. Individually I don’t think people have much choice in whether, growing up, bigoted thoughts are cultivated within them - it is an inevitable consequence of socialization. If your family is sitting around the table talking about lazy Blacks, that will imprint on you.

So, abstract radical theorizing can determine the 'authentic' voice of the poor and marginalized and recruit the portions of those populations who all agree with it to present a front against an external target.

Seems more like hijacking a popular movement for your own agenda than supporting one, but I guess I haven't read enough critical theory to truly understand.

Thus what we identify as the actual problem is the system under which this socialization and reinforcement of dominant norms is propagated. The enemy has never actually been all individual white people except in the tortured siege mentality of some white people, the enemy is an unjust regime of social hierarchy, misinformation, and exploitation that defends itself with armed police and lying politicians (and which many white people stand blindly by out of some misguided desperation to maintain some concept of status). If there are differences to be resolved between minority groups, let them be solved out from under the aegis of a social regime that sics police pigs on peaceful protesters, between free communities of equals and not separate marginalized communities fighting over scraps from the table.

Yes, once White America is taken down everyone will listen to you and not just do an oppression all over again.

"This marks the beginning of that very happy time when politics will recede into the background, when politics will be discussed less often and at shorter length, and engineers and agronomists will do most of the talking."
- Vladimir Lenin, 1920. He was right!

So you're admitting to dishonesty? Asking for a friend.

Please look at the context of what I post.

The SS were police.

The Red Guards were student activists, hence all student activists should be treated in kind (might be an unironically good idea).

I'm just talking about the people who complain that "Black Lives Matter" means that only Black lives matter.

Why don't you try talking to one? Not online.

 

[El_Machinae]

It's a real story, looks like the dude got murdered in front of his business. We'll know if it was politically motivated eventually, I guess. But there are about 50 murders per day in the US. We should be paying attention to each one, but selectively paying attention to specific ones can easily be done if someone has an agenda.

 

[Crezth]

So, abstract radical theorizing can determine the 'authentic' voice of the poor and marginalized and recruit the portions of those populations who all agree with it to present a front against an external target.

Seems more like hijacking a popular movement for your own agenda than supporting one, but I guess I haven't read enough critical theory to truly understand.

What are you even talking about?

 

[Mouthwash]

It's a real story, looks like the dude got murdered in front of his business. We'll know if it was politically motivated eventually, I guess. But there are about 50 murders per day in the US. We should be paying attention to each one, but selectively paying attention to specific ones can easily be done if someone has an agenda.

Black Lives Matter, except black lives taken in the name of Black Lives Matter.

What are you even talking about?

And after you typed out that page of academia salad...

 

[bernie14]

Ha, ha, ha.
Try again, bernie 14. The first news item available on that site's main page is: What’s to stop the far-left social-media giants from rigging the election with free-speech bans?

His family and friends will be relieved

 

[bernie14]

Thus what we identify as the actual problem is the system under which this socialization and reinforcement of dominant norms is propagated. The enemy has never actually been all individual white people except in the tortured siege mentality of some white people, the enemy is an unjust regime of social hierarchy, misinformation, and exploitation that defends itself with armed police and lying politicians (and which many white people stand blindly by out of some misguided desperation to maintain some concept of status). If there are differences to be resolved between minority groups, let them be solved out from under the aegis of a social regime that sics police pigs on peaceful protesters, between free communities of equals and not separate marginalized communities fighting over scraps from the table.

Didn't work out for Manson

 

[Crezth]

And after you typed out that page of academia salad...

I just genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say. I was explaining intersectionalism to you and you gave me some weird digression about astroturfing. For example I never called any marginalized voices inauthentic, that was all you projecting. So maybe the move here for me is to just let you keep tilting at windmills.

 

[GenMarshall]

I just genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say. I was explaining intersectionalism to you and you gave me some weird digression about astroturfing.

I wouldn't bother since to people on the right, they would think more in hierarchical terms. They'd conflate intersectionalism as putting people that are the most oppressed at the top of the pyramid and the people that are the least oppressed at the bottom of the pyramid instead of a person sharing commonality with certain struggles (I'm still learning about this concept).

 

[Takhisis]

And after you typed out that page of academia salad...

Just because you cannot comprehend does not mean that it is incomprehensible.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

bolding mine, for this reason: this study studied transgender adults, 95% of them would have been older than 'very young' back in 1995, and was released in 2010. Young children are and have been trans, nobody's "grooming" them, you sound identical to an LGBT-pedohysteric saying the gay agenda is to recruit kids

Who's the person who claims they knew at ZERO years old?!

Also, to be complete, you'd also have to ask a bunch of non-trans adults about their childhood experiences of gender variance too. Maybe they did though, hard to tell without a linky.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Manfred Belheim heroically reminding us that not all Nazis were Hitler.

Just my latest attempt to get people to face up to their own hypocrisy. Never works of course, but it's still worth trying.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

So you're admitting to dishonesty? Asking for a friend.

Think he's admitting to sarcasm and flippancy mate. Whereas in this comment, you're actually being dishonest but not admitting to it. Kind of a nice neat little package of irony really.