You definitely need to get at least one settler out. If your plan is to settle near elizabeth, your next few turns may want to be a unit or two as a deterrent, if you're settling elsewhere you can possibly do two in a row. There isn't a terrible amount else to build right now in your capital, I don't think. You need luxuries. If you're settling far from the capital you'll need to procure another worker.
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HeraldtheGreat
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You could just for for two cities, rush the National college and give a little more time for building up your capital population and archers.
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I would say that you really ought to build a city riverside to take advantage of the wine, and then maybe something southwest of that to use the sheep and stone. You are on prince, yes? If so you might want to just take Bratislava later, depending on the victory you are pursuing. If you go for culture you need to either control that city state to ensure the other civs don't ally it in some way, whether that mean that you ally them or that you conquer them.
Don't build two settlers in a row. It will slow down your economy too much and delay your acquisition of the National College. Build one and then the Library of Super Duper Greatness if it isn't taken. If you're on prince, a free library, 3
, 1 
, great scientist points, a free tech, and two great work slots should NOT be missed.
Don't build two settlers in a row. It will slow down your economy too much and delay your acquisition of the National College. Build one and then the Library of Super Duper Greatness if it isn't taken. If you're on prince, a free library, 3
, 1 , great scientist points, a free tech, and two great work slots should NOT be missed.David Squires
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@Kiwi - My son is in favor of the tundra city and I agree my scouting up there could have been better. If there's a fish or luxury sea resource there, it would be a solid city spot. The location between the two cows seems like a better spot to me and I'm fairly certain we can settle the tundra spot whenever we want to.
Agreed about the spot near England being tough to build a road to and support with troops. If I plan on putting a city down there near her, I really need to get Shaka involved in a conflict with her. I'm sure I'll want to anyhow because Longbows or Impis will not be fun to deal with, but it will be fun to watch Shaka send his Impis into Enland's longbows!
@VistageTDI - Your opinions seems to represent the majority and will likely be the way we go. The only question is if we try to settle near Liz as well.
@MarshalN - Absolutely agree on the second city and your assessment of a city location near London as well. Hopefully tensions rise between Shaka and England. I understand about the tundra city as well, but if there are some more sea luxuries, it could make a fine city. The good thing is we can settle that at any time.
Agreed about the spot near England being tough to build a road to and support with troops. If I plan on putting a city down there near her, I really need to get Shaka involved in a conflict with her. I'm sure I'll want to anyhow because Longbows or Impis will not be fun to deal with, but it will be fun to watch Shaka send his Impis into Enland's longbows!
@VistageTDI - Your opinions seems to represent the majority and will likely be the way we go. The only question is if we try to settle near Liz as well.
@MarshalN - Absolutely agree on the second city and your assessment of a city location near London as well. Hopefully tensions rise between Shaka and England. I understand about the tundra city as well, but if there are some more sea luxuries, it could make a fine city. The good thing is we can settle that at any time.
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@Andy - You're right. If we settle near England, we better get some troops ready to defend it.
@Herald - A good long-term plan that focusses on us getting our research up and running while grabbing a few defensive units for the war that will eventually come our way.
@Manta - That city location seems to be the #1 option and is likely what we will do. Based on other people's suggestion that we play out of our comfort zone, we're actually on King. One reader on my blog proposed that we take Papal Primacy as our Founders Belief which should allow us to ally those three city states sooner including Bratislava. The consensus is that we build one settler and focus on a library and that's what we'll do. NC is very important. On king, I doubt we'll pull off the Great Library. If we build a citizen next, we'd start construction of the GL around turn 60 - too late I think.
@Herald - A good long-term plan that focusses on us getting our research up and running while grabbing a few defensive units for the war that will eventually come our way.
@Manta - That city location seems to be the #1 option and is likely what we will do. Based on other people's suggestion that we play out of our comfort zone, we're actually on King. One reader on my blog proposed that we take Papal Primacy as our Founders Belief which should allow us to ally those three city states sooner including Bratislava. The consensus is that we build one settler and focus on a library and that's what we'll do. NC is very important. On king, I doubt we'll pull off the Great Library. If we build a citizen next, we'd start construction of the GL around turn 60 - too late I think.
Hi David, I made an account on here just to tell you that I think that you and your son are adorable. When I have a child I hope I can play games like this with them. If you don't mind me asking, how old is your son?
On topic more: I agree that a new city to the east near the river/cattle/wine looks like your best move right now.
On topic more: I agree that a new city to the east near the river/cattle/wine looks like your best move right now.
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@froggy_t - My son's pretty awesome, but I might be a bit biased. He's 13. I'm pretty lucky he still likes to spend some time with his old man and one of his favorite pasttimes is playing Civ with me.
Thanks for the input and welcome to the forums!
Thanks for the input and welcome to the forums!
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I agree. Papal Primacy is so useless that I'm pretty sure there is an entire thread dedicated to discussing its uselessness.
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@MarshalN & MantaRevan - I've never used Papal Primacy in a game because that was my thought too. I've used Tithe rather frequently and can speak to it's power. Ceremonial Burial can be quite handy in allowing extra growth. I've never used Peace Loving, however I don't think either England or The Zulu have a Pantheon yet and if not, I can most likely spread my religion far and fast.
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Its a shame you didn't opt for God of the Open Sky pantheon. There are potentially 9 pastures available in the immediate vicinity; 4 obtained from your first 2 cities. Coupled with Tithe (a must for easy gold to help quickly allying those culture City States) and Pagodas, you'd be ripping through the early policy tree. Your Stonehenge and Stele's would take care of the faith generation.
If England hasn't claimed the double luxury spot by the time you create your 3rd settler (after completing NC of course), go for it! You may sorely need the happiness for growth. Maybe even send a couple of troops to block the mountain passes early on while busy getting a library in the 2nd city; just to buy time and give yourselves a better chance. This may force Lizzy to expand towards Shaka and create tension between them instead! If your'e too late, claim the tundra fur. A small 4th city will probably have to go east of Bratislava, near the silver, to act as a mountain pass defensive link if you do get the southernmost city; just make sure it also claims the stone for future +1 happiness. Once again, God of the Open Sky would have paid great dividends here....
Just fill in the double salt desert city when you have excess happiness. This probably wont happen for ages until you get your pagodas, coliseums and resource trading going, as you are ultimately planning on growing tall. But an initial strong base can set you up for the long term.
If England hasn't claimed the double luxury spot by the time you create your 3rd settler (after completing NC of course), go for it! You may sorely need the happiness for growth. Maybe even send a couple of troops to block the mountain passes early on while busy getting a library in the 2nd city; just to buy time and give yourselves a better chance. This may force Lizzy to expand towards Shaka and create tension between them instead! If your'e too late, claim the tundra fur. A small 4th city will probably have to go east of Bratislava, near the silver, to act as a mountain pass defensive link if you do get the southernmost city; just make sure it also claims the stone for future +1 happiness. Once again, God of the Open Sky would have paid great dividends here....
Just fill in the double salt desert city when you have excess happiness. This probably wont happen for ages until you get your pagodas, coliseums and resource trading going, as you are ultimately planning on growing tall. But an initial strong base can set you up for the long term.
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@Kiwi Tyrant - You are right. We had our pantheon without much map knowledge and rolled the dice. Unfortunately, we crapped out. We're about to start our next session right now. Hopefully we'll have an update here in an hour or so. If not, it will be later tonight.
@MarshalN - Happiness is going to be vital and Peace Loving is one of the potential tools at our disposal.
@MarshalN - Happiness is going to be vital and Peace Loving is one of the potential tools at our disposal.
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Swords into plowshares might be nice if you're really working on growth, though it looks like you'll be getting into at least few early wars.
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Well, we got the first religion and selected Tithe and Pagoda. There are only two other Pantheons at this point. An unknown Pantheon took Stone Circles and Brazil (who we just met) took Sacred Path. We will likely have many choices left to us when we enhance our religion.
Right now, we are unhappy with the founding of Harar. We are at -1 happiness. Here's an overview of where we stand:
Here's a look at Addis Abba:
Here's a look at Harar:
Here are the two screenshots of the known world:
I worked on Mathematics so we could keep two options open - Hanging Gardens and Petra. I'd imagine we don't want to build either, but it gives us options. What should I tech next? Construction for composites and coliseums? Beeline to Philosophy for NC? Something else?
What should I build in my capital? Another setter? A worker? units? Library? Something else? What about Harar?
What should our priorities be for enhancing our religion? After we finish tradition, what social policies should we be working on? What should we be looking out for diplomatically?
Thanks in advance for all the help! We're learning a lot. I don't even mind if you help us learn from our mistakes because I know we make a lot of them.
Right now, we are unhappy with the founding of Harar. We are at -1 happiness. Here's an overview of where we stand:
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Here's a look at Addis Abba:
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Here's a look at Harar:
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Here are the two screenshots of the known world:
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I worked on Mathematics so we could keep two options open - Hanging Gardens and Petra. I'd imagine we don't want to build either, but it gives us options. What should I tech next? Construction for composites and coliseums? Beeline to Philosophy for NC? Something else?
What should I build in my capital? Another setter? A worker? units? Library? Something else? What about Harar?
What should our priorities be for enhancing our religion? After we finish tradition, what social policies should we be working on? What should we be looking out for diplomatically?
Thanks in advance for all the help! We're learning a lot. I don't even mind if you help us learn from our mistakes because I know we make a lot of them.
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The hanging gardens are decent if you want to go tall, otherwise, a library probably ought to be top priority.
This is king, Petra is entirely possible. You should try to get that one smile, maybe find a natural wonder? Also how far are you from the second salt? Trade that for a lux you don't have and problem solved
You might need a second worker. I think you can hold off on library for a little longer
What do the city states want from you? Any way to get the ally status with Bucharest?
Also you don't need to park your units in the cities, roam around and find camps to kill for money, and of course get any that the CS wants you to kill
You might need a second worker. I think you can hold off on library for a little longer
What do the city states want from you? Any way to get the ally status with Bucharest?
Also you don't need to park your units in the cities, roam around and find camps to kill for money, and of course get any that the CS wants you to kill
Allying with that CS is a good idea since you will benefit from his luxury. I would build your libraries when you are gearing up for the NC, since by themselves they don't generate a ton of science. You might need to borrow another worker from your friend Brataslava in order to get your wine and silver going, that way you have breathing room to expand again happiness wise. I think you made a pretty good choice settling Harar there. In your capital put a farm on the flood plains and a mine on the desert hill and work them, you'll enjoy the benefits of both with the 4 extra faith from your deser tiles.
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@MantaRevan - Yeah, HG is nice for a tall city, but I think I have too many priorities to go for it right now.
@MarshalN - Petra is certainly doable, but I'm not sure I have enough decent tiles for it to make sense. I've got my scout out looking around and I hope to find another natural wonder or two so I better come up with another plan. I'm 3 turns away from having a second salt and I'm really hoping to trade that for another lux. I think that was the only quest for Bucharest for right now, but I'll double check when I log back in.
You're right about not parking my units. I thought of moving my archer up north because there's got to be a camp up there cause the barbs keep coming for a visit. The Spearman is going to look around too - he was just escorting my settler.
@andymant - I've never borrowed two workers from a single city state before, but I might just send my archer down and see what I can do. Might have my Spearman poke around Mombassa as well. I prioritized the extra salt (for trading for luxes), but plan to work those desert tiles right away. Hali hasn't been built yet and would be a nice fit. This is the part of the game I think things sometimes fall away from me as I have too many options.
@MarshalN - Petra is certainly doable, but I'm not sure I have enough decent tiles for it to make sense. I've got my scout out looking around and I hope to find another natural wonder or two so I better come up with another plan. I'm 3 turns away from having a second salt and I'm really hoping to trade that for another lux. I think that was the only quest for Bucharest for right now, but I'll double check when I log back in.
You're right about not parking my units. I thought of moving my archer up north because there's got to be a camp up there cause the barbs keep coming for a visit. The Spearman is going to look around too - he was just escorting my settler.
@andymant - I've never borrowed two workers from a single city state before, but I might just send my archer down and see what I can do. Might have my Spearman poke around Mombassa as well. I prioritized the extra salt (for trading for luxes), but plan to work those desert tiles right away. Hali hasn't been built yet and would be a nice fit. This is the part of the game I think things sometimes fall away from me as I have too many options.
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