budweiser
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...probably the most operative part of the guide. In essence a culture blitz.
[BNW] Peaceful Culture Victory Guide (immortal)
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...probably the most operative part of the guide. In essence a culture blitz.
homegrown
Missionary of Sorenism
I got an immortal standard lakes cv with montezuma this morning. I started with ToA, then Philo and NC. Only built 3 cities. Ended up with themed Oxford, Hermitage, Uffizi, and Broadway, and 4 museums (i took an english city late and puppeted it). Not a drop of oil, but rolling in aluminum. I'm lucky I had 3 coal for my factories. Could not get OB with England to happen, so she was a little tougher to influence. 3 rock concerts in another land helped sway them over.
I was only freedom civ (the ai wiped out my buddy poland in the modern age), 5 AIs took Order, and Egypt was autocracy. I might have had an easier time if i'd chosen Order (as I was first to choose). I wouldn't have gotten the specialists tenets (eat less food/cause less unhappy), but I could have taken the +tourism to civs with less happy than you ( i peaked at 88 damnit, no soma for me!) and extra +tourism for other order civs.
Finally, no religion for me. I got the Fertility Rites pantheon but was never able to found. So I was going to let the AI spam me like they usually do. That, of course, didn't happen because I wanted it to. I did end up being able to purchase 1 public school and 1 research lab with faith in one city. And I used the rest of my little faith (about 30 per turn max) for 1 GE and 2 GMs.
I was only freedom civ (the ai wiped out my buddy poland in the modern age), 5 AIs took Order, and Egypt was autocracy. I might have had an easier time if i'd chosen Order (as I was first to choose). I wouldn't have gotten the specialists tenets (eat less food/cause less unhappy), but I could have taken the +tourism to civs with less happy than you ( i peaked at 88 damnit, no soma for me!) and extra +tourism for other order civs.
Finally, no religion for me. I got the Fertility Rites pantheon but was never able to found. So I was going to let the AI spam me like they usually do. That, of course, didn't happen because I wanted it to. I did end up being able to purchase 1 public school and 1 research lab with faith in one city. And I used the rest of my little faith (about 30 per turn max) for 1 GE and 2 GMs.
chazzycat
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yeah Order isn't too bad, there is soooo much happiness in there. For a wider culture game going for more artifacts instead of wonders, it's a very good option. I definitely prefer freedom for the 4 city approach though. The specialist economy is key, plus, broadcast culture (tourism from radio towers) is guaranteed to apply against all other civs, unlike the Order ones.
Deau
Emperor
The only issue with order is that you lose bonus strength to your GMs. Only the freedom bonus from broadcast towers applies before GM calculation and thus scales your GM strength. Thus, if you have a huge runaway(or many), freedom will help you much more to that extent.
I also typically prefer the CS-oriented perks in Freedom over order but that is highly debatable. The biggest strength of order is simply the happiness/science bonus that may lead to a "much" earlier turn-to Internet.
I also typically prefer the CS-oriented perks in Freedom over order but that is highly debatable. The biggest strength of order is simply the happiness/science bonus that may lead to a "much" earlier turn-to Internet.
Tried this out on immortal Portugal last night.
Wouldn't call it a success (although I DID get the culture win) at turn 350 or so;
during the meantime I could've won by science (but I was ahead in tech by a whole era at that point so I bulbed internet/globalization instead of the two last spaceship parts... ended up waiting dozens of turns for the CV)
Wouldn't call it a success (although I DID get the culture win) at turn 350 or so;
during the meantime I could've won by science (but I was ahead in tech by a whole era at that point so I bulbed internet/globalization instead of the two last spaceship parts... ended up waiting dozens of turns for the CV)
I bothered to pick up Uffizi (and aesthetics tree) with only the rat opener and the +2 science/specialist. I did beeline printing press and snagged Pisa with GE. However, Austria beat me to the tech and got forbidden palace as well. I struggled with CS as she already had married several off because she had to spawn next to a certain Ms. Cathy Landgrab and had little room to call her own.
Not only that, I got my ass kicked in world fair, only getting silver; and then in international games, again I got only silver despite my 5 cities. Not winning the world games (and Austria taking world religion early with her FB and host status) was what hurt my time the most.
Finally decided to focus on science as a back up (rat tree didn't get filled until turn 300 or so) but I dicked around after I found out that I was done with my boosters when the other players only got Apollo; after all, my advantage at that point was so large and there was no way I was losing; my empire being on a peninsula with a very narrow choke point leading to it, and I had 12 nuclear subs and 5 missile cruisers because I had no idea what to do with my production anymore, and Austria pretty much undermined her (and my) own chances of diplomatic victory when there were only 3 unmarried/unpuppeted CS left the whole map. Dicked around for a good 30-40 turns at least where I just got globalization and internet just for the heck of it.
chazzycat
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Ouch. Did you get factories up before the World fair? I've found that is pretty key, I usually win it if that happens.
I'm still a firm believer that Sistine/Globe are more important than Uffizi as well.
It sounds like your biggest problem was Austria messing things up by marrying all the CS though. That is really the one drawback of the consulates strategy.
I'm still a firm believer that Sistine/Globe are more important than Uffizi as well.
It sounds like your biggest problem was Austria messing things up by marrying all the CS though. That is really the one drawback of the consulates strategy.
budweiser
King of the Beers
I had some fun with England last night but I keep getting distracted. I took FP again, then Big Ben.
I must focus edu to PP.
I must focus edu to PP.
I didn't have factories yet!!! (the world fair was chosen by Austria right after she became host!!! After my 1st proposal art funding passed); Sistine and Globe were taken way earlier (the AIs in immortal still had a tech lead early renaissance; I was thankful Willy Orange in Wonderhog mode chose to take globe after he took Sistine, though, as to me Pisa is the more important wonder)
Nothing like giving the AI double culture to set back the time you need to pass it with your tourism... (but, still, better she got it when her culture was 200/turn rather than 700... so earlier world fair is still a good idea... if it fails, at least the AI will not get as much culture, and you would've gotten it out of the way)
Nothing like giving the AI double culture to set back the time you need to pass it with your tourism... (but, still, better she got it when her culture was 200/turn rather than 700... so earlier world fair is still a good idea... if it fails, at least the AI will not get as much culture, and you would've gotten it out of the way)
budweiser
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Playing as Germany... scored a Hand Axe in my army lol!
Tachii
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Just beat a Immortal Cultural game with Maya at T278. Start was pretty mediocre, check the save for more details.
Highlights (wall of text, for those who didn't load the save file):
Final comments: I think the start I had was pretty mediocre. Besides getting Hanging Gardens, it was a rather crappy location (lack of river tiles, second city had growth problems, third city had production problems, etcetc). Couldn't settle a 4th city, and Assyria looked like it wanted to DOW. The clincher was International Games. 100% tourism pretty much means the GM bomb was doubled.
Maya would be a top-tier culture civ along with France and Brazil despite not having and cultural bonuses. The GE in Renaissance is really important. With Pyramid's science bonus + GS + able to disregard Astronomy, you can beeline for Printing Press after Acoustics. Would have to rerole a few games to see how viable it is. But I imagine a jungle start would completely butcher the win time.
PS: Attached initial save for those who want to try it.
Highlights (wall of text, for those who didn't load the save file):
Spoiler :
Final comments: I think the start I had was pretty mediocre. Besides getting Hanging Gardens, it was a rather crappy location (lack of river tiles, second city had growth problems, third city had production problems, etcetc). Couldn't settle a 4th city, and Assyria looked like it wanted to DOW. The clincher was International Games. 100% tourism pretty much means the GM bomb was doubled.
Maya would be a top-tier culture civ along with France and Brazil despite not having and cultural bonuses. The GE in Renaissance is really important. With Pyramid's science bonus + GS + able to disregard Astronomy, you can beeline for Printing Press after Acoustics. Would have to rerole a few games to see how viable it is. But I imagine a jungle start would completely butcher the win time.
PS: Attached initial save for those who want to try it.
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Deau
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There is significantly more than just GE and pyramids' science that's making Mayans god-mode for CV.
The free GA/GW allow for somewhat easy theming bonuses particularly when it comes to getting theming bonuses for multiple wonders of the same type.
You are guaranteed a religion with minimal effort and without piety and have a better selection of pantheon for getting there earlier.
You get an additional GM "free" to help overcome any runaway from a poor start which indirectly allows you to allocate ~2500 faith for 2 GEs instead of the 3rd GM to hit Uffizi if still available and louvre so that you can pump archaeologists asap when the poor start locked you from outteching opponents already.
The free GA/GW allow for somewhat easy theming bonuses particularly when it comes to getting theming bonuses for multiple wonders of the same type.
You are guaranteed a religion with minimal effort and without piety and have a better selection of pantheon for getting there earlier.
You get an additional GM "free" to help overcome any runaway from a poor start which indirectly allows you to allocate ~2500 faith for 2 GEs instead of the 3rd GM to hit Uffizi if still available and louvre so that you can pump archaeologists asap when the poor start locked you from outteching opponents already.
chazzycat
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my followup Mongol game ended up being a pretty long post, so I gave it its own thread here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=507517
I'm having real issues with keeping peace when trying to go for this. Third time I've tried and third time I've failed. I keep getting DoWd by EVERYONE, even though I'm completely peaceful, keep up with units and try to bribe people to fight each other. Maybe it's the fact that I'm playing on Fractal maps.
Starting to develop this theory that AI goes for Cultural victory because it seems the most easy to achieve in the beginning. The AI that's not programmed to be aggressive, that is. Then they start attacking you when your culture production goes up.
I don't have any issues going for a SV. Everyone leaves me alone. I pretty much ignore culture production after Amphitheatres.
Starting to develop this theory that AI goes for Cultural victory because it seems the most easy to achieve in the beginning. The AI that's not programmed to be aggressive, that is. Then they start attacking you when your culture production goes up.
I don't have any issues going for a SV. Everyone leaves me alone. I pretty much ignore culture production after Amphitheatres.
Tachii
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I play on Fractal too. You just need to bribe civs to DoW other civs.
ScantilyCladLad
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i had a go at this with india. i had a good start, yet the detour to metal casting meant i was beaten to sistine by 2 turns, and pisa got built before that so literally no chance to catch pisa
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