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Bob Geldof - nationalising the charities

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ainwood, Jul 14, 2006.

  1. ainwood

    ainwood Consultant. Administrator

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    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3732261a11,00.html
    So he is suggesting that rather than allow private individuals & companies to provide aid (which is working in NZ), that money is better taken by the government through taxes, run through the bureaucratic washer (where probably 10-20% is extracted in administration), then instead of being given to aid organisations to spend directly on the people needing aid, it should be given at a government level.

    Sorry Bob, but I think you've got it very wrong.
     
  2. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    I must say I agree. While I think it's sad that the developed world is not doing enough to help end poverty, Canada being one of the worst culprits if not the worst, there are other avenues those who are concerned can follow.

    I once thought about starting a thread with a title something like "Your own 0.7% solution". If governments should bve expected put 0.7% of their revenue to help, why shouldn't private citizens do the same?

    I've been researching charities to ensure that what I give goes to good effect, but haven't started donating, I admit I haven't been doing as well as I should.

    Once I do, I'll still stay on my government's case to do their share as well.
     
  3. bhsup

    bhsup Chieftain

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    If they nationalized all charities, I'd probably quit giving to the Salvation Army and others. The government can send my forcibly collected tax monies away if they choose and I cannot do much about it, but I will be darned if I'll donate aid to the government.
     
  4. Nad

    Nad Known Troublemaker

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    Bob Geldof is a scruffy tramp so it's no surprise that he has these awful ideas too.
     
  5. amadeus

    amadeus めっちゃしんどい

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    I imagine the people suffering from AIDS in New Zealand were thrilled to just thrilled to hear this.

    *bzzt* -- Sorry Bob, I'm pretty sure they're dying because they have AIDS.

    I don't expect anything more from a man who is so naive to give the Mengitsu regime money and food that wound up being used in Ethiopia's war against Eritrea.
     
  6. Kan' Sharuminar

    Kan' Sharuminar Fluffy

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    What's the actual figures in dollars, out of interest?
     
  7. Norlamand

    Norlamand Procrastinator Rex

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    Geldof is a wanker. The fact that New Zealand gives $315 million yearly should be praised, not scoffed at. It ceases to be charity if it is extorted.
     
  8. amadeus

    amadeus めっちゃしんどい

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    How much does Geldof give?
     
  9. Mr. Dictator

    Mr. Dictator A Chain-Smoking Fox

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    haha, yeah. thats what i thought when i saw that.

    people arent dying from aids in new zealand!!

    i think he's just like bono.

    "i must leave a legacy no matter what"

    and since they're music sucks they try their hand at helping the world.

    can't blame the guy, his hearts in the right place. its just his head that needs some aligning.
     
  10. ainwood

    ainwood Consultant. Administrator

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    It could also be because there is less than 3000 people in the entire country that have aids....
     
  11. amadeus

    amadeus めっちゃしんどい

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    Kind of stupid for Geldof to say there's no AIDS in Auckland, Wellington, or Christchurch when the New Zealand AIDS Foundation has counseling and research centers in Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch.
     
  12. Elta

    Elta 我不会把这种

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    OECD countrys eh? .....who wants to bet mexico is giving the lowest? :lol:
     
  13. ainwood

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    From the article:
     
  14. Elta

    Elta 我不会把这种

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    :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: I should have read the whole thing my bad, mexico is giving more aid ......dun dun dun
     
  15. Elrohir

    Elrohir RELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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    That's so misleading. Only percentage-wise, not in actual dollar amounts. (You'll have to scroll down, but they have a nice graph) In USD, the US gives $27 billion a year, compared to Sweden's $3 billion. We actually give nine times the amount they do in actual dollars, they just get more credit because their GNI isn't nearly as high as the US's.

    Even when the US gives more, we're still the stingy capitalist bad guys. :p
     
  16. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    I'm not trying to make any political point, but the actually effort that a nation puts in sending foreign aid is best measured by the percentage of the GNI, and not in absolute numbers.

    Personally I'd be very interested in the total charity figures of private organizations by country.
     
  17. EdwardTking

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    I find Bob Geldof extremely tiresome.


    I doubt that he has even bothered to add up New Zealand government
    aid to New Zealand non governmental aid to get a true picture.

    Although I am generally left on economics, I think NGOs generally
    do a better job than governments with foreign aid.

    I don't believe Geldof has made any contribution at all to easing
    poor country's debts arising from foreign aid. What has happened
    is that the capitalists have merely realised that simply trying to
    insist that all capital and interest being repaid will merely result
    in those countries defaulting, and have therefore tactically forgiven
    some debt in the hope of still getting a good return back on the rest;
    and of using the debt to gain control of natural resources there.

    There was, a few years back, a Private Eye sketch of:

    Africans having a famine to save failing aging rock stars.
     
  18. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    More than you do. :p
     
  19. amadeus

    amadeus めっちゃしんどい

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    I'm not on TV with phony tears every three months condemning the New Zealand government.
     
  20. Mr. Dictator

    Mr. Dictator A Chain-Smoking Fox

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    how do you know they are phony though?

    how can you judge his character?

    im not saying he's right or wrong here i just find it amazing you can just assume he doesnt really care about africa.
     

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