Border Re-drawing

[Goonie]

I have made a proposal to re-draw some of our provincial borders. Relevant discussion on the issue can be found here.

I have a request to re-draw the borders of three provinces : "Gem mountain", North and Southwest. You can see that the city of Dapperdan is in the Gem mountains, but not in my province. I request the we redraw the borders so that "Gem mountains" borders reach 2 tiles SE of Dapperdan and 1 tile Northeast of Dapperdan. My second request is the 6 tile chunk of the Southwest province that reaches into the Gem mountains and that is also beside Dapperdan become part of the "Gem Mountain" province. Any one who can attach an image, please do!Map of the area

 

[donsig]

The link to the map doesn't seem to work...

 

[Grandmaster]

Funny, it works for me, Donsig....

 

[Goonie]

Works for me too!

 

[donsig]

Well, if you can make one that works for me then I can decide what I think of the proposal.

 

[Goonie]

There are plenty of maps at the cartographic office. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34398.

 

[Cyc]

This map shows the existing Provincial Borderlines for Gem Mountain, The North, and the Southwest Provinces in RED. The BLUE is the proposed borderlines for Gem Mountain Province submitted by Gonnie. The proposed Provincial Borderline Change will take 6 Tiles from the SW Province and 3 Tiles from the North Province.

Added note: I am not in favor of this proposal, but I've made you an appropriate map for it. I recommend that you find yourself a graphics program so you can make your own maps. It's fun.

EDIT: Oh well, I guess the file server is down.
EDIT: I just noticed that the Province at the bottom is actually
Hafenland. The RL should be an HL. Sorry Bill.

 

[Goonie]

How come you are not in favour Cyc? Do you mind explaining?

 

[Cyc]

Well, 1. I'm a Mayor of a city in The North Province, so My province will lose 3 Tiles and a city. 2. I was the first Governor of the North Province, so there's some sentimental value to its original form for me. 3. I don't think you thought out the redraw well enough, as the Tile north of Dapper Dan should have gone on your proposal as well. I could probably come up with more, but I'm trying to get the darn map uploaded onto the server and it won't go.

 

[Octavian X]

I don't mind this proposed change. I always thought that province was too small.

 

[Cyc]

There, now it works. Map is up!

 

[Goonie]

"I don't think you thought out the redraw well enough, as the Tile north of Dapper Dan should have gone on your proposal as well."
I meant for it to be.... maybe my wording isn't clear.

@CYC. I think you are letting your heart take over your brain on this matter.

 

[Goonie]

The new proposal only affects the Dapperdan area. The new proposal gives "Gem mountain" only Dapperdan and the mountain beside it(SW). The rest of the proposal stays the same. To see how this change to the proposal into effect go here .

 

[Goonie]

I dont know if this is going to work...(Sorry. I tried to make an image of the new proposal and it didn't work.)

 

[Chieftess]

Hmm.. I thought that was Cyc's map.. anyway, I like that map, but I would change one thing.. either:

a. The tile to the north of Dapperdan is included in the province, or...

b. The tile to the NE of Dapperdan is excluded from the province.

 

[FortyJ]

While I can understand the superficial appeal behind such a proposal, I think that upon further consideration, most will agree with me that this change would not be for the better.

1. Sentinemtality. Let's go ahead and get this one out of the way, even though it is not the driving force behind my opinion.
2. Tile Management will be worse under the proposed change. Dapperdan will likely be dependent on the lands and coastal areas northeast of the city for food. By including this city in Gem Mountain province, most of the tiles it's citizens would be working will be in the North Province, and the underlying terrain won't support the addition of even more tiles from the North province to this proposal.
3. Tile management would also be an issue with the six Southwest Province tiles. We cannot possibly add a city to that area, so the only chance of us working those tiles would be through assimilation (one way or another) of Izibia which already lies in the Southwest Province.

In conclusion, I don't see any reason to make this change other than to enlarge the size of the soon to be called something else "Gem Mountain" province. I'd sooner support a proposal to merge this province with either Hafen Land or "Sugar & Spice".

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

yes we can hardly fill the positions as it is, why dont we slow down on making new provinces right now, or youll put me in the loonie bin lol

 

[amirsan]

Where can I get those hot graphics on your game Cyc.

 

[Cyc]

@Amirsan - Disorganizer turned me onto those during one of the t/c's. He used those graphic in his "wandering" thread. I got them from him the same way you'll get them from me, by asking .

These wonderfully green and lush graphics are courtesy of the Womoks_Standard. zip Mod. It's located in the Modifications Forum or sub-forum of CFC. It's easy to find. I'll get you a link tomorrow if you can't find it. Good luck. If I remember correctly, it's a 4 megger. But it's worth it. The grids don't show up very well, but I hardly use them anymore, just for maps.

 

[Shaitan]

I'm also against moving Dapperdan. As you can see from the map there is no realistic way that Dapperdan could ever have been in the jurisdiction of Gem Mountain. Dapperdan shares coastline and hills with North Province but the only way for travelers from Dapperdan to go anywhere in Gem Mountain Province would be to do a billy goat immitiation over the mountain range.

I could see adding the mountain tiles from Southwest Province into the Gem Mountain territory but definitely not Dapperdan or the grassland & forest of Southwest Province. Gem Mountain's border needs to be the end of the mountains, not a slew of mountains and then a tile or two of hills, grass and/or forest.