[BTS] BOTM 234: Wang Kon, Noble - Final Spoiler - Game Submitted


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BOTM 234: Wang Kon, Noble - Final Spoiler - Game Submitted

Was there anything about the game that was unusually fun or unusually frustrating? Feeling good about your chances to pull off a Medal or Award of some kind?
Use this thread to tell us what happened in your game, particularly anything after 1AD
Did you win?
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I love building megacities. Thanks for the game.
Spoiler :
I failed to remember the Noble level bonus against barbarians (which there weren't in the game in the first place). So I failed to grab some land thinking that it's defended against AI's too.
I feel good about my chances for a shield.

Speaking of shields, I have a hunch that soon certain Nordic countries will apply for a certain membership in a certain organization, something to do with treaties and northern oceanic bodies of water. We may end up having a MPP with KCD :viking:. :high5:.
Played the game to scratch my Civ4 itch. Conquered the world with Cuirs by 1390 AD.
Fun game, thanks for the map! :thumbsup:

Spoiler :
I propose to give bonus points to players who have defeated the barb Modern Armour & Mech Inf :lol:
Skipping 1AD report.

T0 moved to a hill 2S. T1 ran back to T0 position. Expanded 2nd and 3rd city next to fish west and east.
Then started to look further east, found another location with fish and found Zara. Attacked early with chariots. Aksum is a great city.
Moved on to conquer Greece, still in the BC's.

Decided to go culture, try to complete a 2nd eptathlon.
Needed to conquer Egypt as well with its +7 worth health resources. That took a while with my minimalistic army.
Build wonders+cathedrals etc. Finish Liberalism => Nationalism.
From 1100AD onwards 3 golden ages and cruising to pile culture + artists.

Got to explore late phase of my game, Optics due to rep specialists.
=> By the shape of one center of their landstretch I would say some ''scary dudes'' are playing Pacman there.......:crazyeye:
I may get a medal, but only if I chose a victory condition everyone else ignored, again.

I expanded to eight cities, filling all the land within reach by galleys, and completed the Colossus in 275. My economy was tremendous, although it was a hammer-poor map.

In 660, I discovered the first of the Sons of Humbaba. I decided those islands would be off-limits until very late in the game, completely forgetting that the parameters of this game made them paper tigers. :rolleyes:

My immediately neighbors were on very good terms with me, and I signed defensive pacts with ZY, Pericles, and Hatty. I decided to take advantage of those good relations and of the AP that ZY had built, to go for a religious victory. I libbed Astronomy in 1400 (losing a lot of gold by obsoleting the Colossus) and then I attacked Gandhi in 1430. Two sloppy mistakes here: Gandhi had become a member of the AP and the AP vote to end the war came on the next turn. Furthermore, I had failed to target the one Hindu city he had, so I had to defy the vote and suffer the unhappiness penalty of that. :cringe:

Before destroying the Indian Empire in 1580, I discovered that Gandhi had settled on the modern armor island. How had he done that with a mere knight to defend it? D'oh! That's when I remembered one of the parameters of Noble difficulty. :rolleyes:

I sailed out to attack Mansa Musa, next. War declared in 1615, with Mali conquered by 1690. For some reason, MM spread to other islands without ever building any other cities besides Timbuktu on his starting island. :confused:

I attacked DeGaulle in 1695 and conquered France by 1725. Along the way, ZY peace-vassaled to me.

Thanks to an AP vote to go to war with DeGaulle, I was back as a full member of the AP. After being elected resident, Hatty still wouldn't vote to give me a Religious victory. So she became my next target, in 1755. She capitulated in 1785. The next AP vote gave me my victory in 1802.

In analyzing how I could have improved this performance, I realized that the Pyramids could have really helped me convert my gold into hammers, running Universal Sufferage. DeGaulle built this wonder in 350. Could I have beaten him to this, using another city while my capital completed the Colossus? I replayed the game for fun, this time building the Pyramids in Seoul before starting the Colossus. I got that in 175, but in this game one of the AI completed the Colossus in 125 BC!
This was a really funny game. I was pretty much trying to go straight to military tradition, and I almost won liberalism before any of the AI's had alphabet to trade for. The starting continent was not a great production point. As I was focused on conquest, I didn't settle any of the landmasses with barbarian tanks.

The Egyptians had a lot of culture in their capital. They wiped out one stack of cavalry with longbows (and really bad luck on my part), so I had to send a spy there in order to conquer it. I got angry and took all their cities. Gandhi wanted five cities taken before he capitulated. After waiting for the galleons and the long trek across the sea, the French fell easily.

In the end, I forgot to declare war on Mansa before moving my stack of cavalry next to his capital. So I loaded them back up on my galleons and the declared. I won a 1675 conquest victory.


I realize now that I could have won over 100 years earlier if I would have split my forces between India and the French/Mali. I didn't need the whole force against any opponent.
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So I attacked really slowly in the end.. Declared war at Zara Yaqob at 520AD. After capturing 2 cities, he capped at 640AD and I accepted because the only city he had was on a hill and with no food resource.

I was beelining Astronomy because I thought I would need it to be able to attack people in faraway continents. In hindsight, that was not entirely necessary. Anyways, got Astro at 680AD.

The next is Alex. He capped 940AD after losing 3 cities. Then comes Hatty, who actually managed to get Longbows, but under our Mace/HA/Hwacha/Treb attack that didn’t last too long. Hatty capped 1080AD, after a war of 10 turns. We also circumnavigated at 1060AD with 2 Galleons and met Mansa Musa and De Gaulle. The two of them had most of the wonders of the word.

Spoiler :

Kcd must have been waiting for this: I didn’t explore the island enough before putting a settler on it. Wait I thought we said no Barbarians! I didn’t have a screenshot of that exact turn, but here we are, with that poor fleeing workboat:


Economy took a hit till I managed to build FP at the Egyptian Thebes, which took me a while longer than it should be, because I forgot to switch out of Caste after the GA from the Music GP, and waited until Economics to switch back to slavery.

By this time we had enough troops to war on both fronts. We declared war on Gandhi at 1140AD and DeGaulle at 1170AD. By 1270AD, we got Orleans and Paris, along with the Pyramids that is there. We made peace with the French since we don’t want them to capitulate as they still have too much land. Gandhi had a few more cities but we captured all of them by 1330AD, taking prisoners no more. We focused on tech for a short while, getting to Medicine at 1460AD and meanwhile declaring on Mansa Musa at 1450AD with the remaining troops from the Indian and French wars. The goal is to get all these wonders Mansa had.


1530AD Timbuktu was captured and we made peace with Mansa. The rest was milking time until we won a Domination victory at 1700AD.
Spoiler :


I realized I could have attacked earlier which could have given better results. Still not so used to this milking game but let’s see how this would stack up against others. Thanks kcd for a fun map and long live the barb modern armors!
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