Originally posted by meldor
Let's see, believes in a higher power....that pretty much excludes atheist. The Scouts have nothing against Atheist, they just aren't welcome in an organization that stresses God and family. Why would an atheist want to jion an organization that at its very core holds believes and does practices that they don't belive in?
Only a small part of the tenets of scouting deal with religion. Perhaps you should exclude those who aren't sufficiently friendly or sufficiently cheerful. There's many aspects of scouting which might attract a non-believer. Reverant is only one part of the law.
Originally posted by meldor
Wrong, I assume that boys that are attracted to girls, if left allone with them long enough are going to be attracted to them and try to get into their pants. I also assume that boys that are attracted to boys and are left alone with them are going to be attacked to them and try and get into there pants.
A lot of the boys in the group are at an age were they can be strongly influenced by a person they respect. There parent have a right to determine the types of people that they associate with. The Boy Scouts gives them a group that they can trust and even participate in that has strong moral values. It isn't for every one. Why try to force it to be.
That would be sill, they can start there own version or join one of the offshoots that allow the thing you like.
In some instances a boy left alone with a girl may try to get into her pants. If they find them attractive and if you have failed in your teaching of "strong moral values". It's no different for a homosexual boy. If he learned "strong moral values" he won't be hitting on other boys because he knows that kind of conduct at scout functions is inappropriate. You don't seem to have much faith in the boys to say no to an unwanted advance. As I posted before, I think there's little chance a boy would make such an advance due to the reaction of the heterosexual members of the troop. With a boy and girl no such check exists.
In addition, if your so afraid of a 17 year old boy who professes to be gay(and that's the only way that your ban is effective) then don't put him in a tent with the 12 year old.
The scouts are supposed to be inclusive. The cover of the Boy Scout magazine, Boys Life, states it's "For All Boys".
Maybe they should change it to "For All Boys(except fags and heretics)".
The scout are supposed to be for everyone who wants to be one regardless of race, religion, nationality or economic background. Sexual orientation is no different.
Originally posted by meldor
The Pentacostal Church runs a group exactly like the Boy Scout, they call they Royal Rangers. Nothing wrong with that. If you want to start the Gay Scouts or anything else go ahead. I wish you the best of luck. Just don't try and make me admit people into a private orginization that I don't want in.
The Royal Rangers were begun as a church organization the Boy Scouts were not. They have no affiliation with any church and don't profess any faith. You're trying to turn the Boy Scouts into an arm of your religion.
Originally posted by meldor
The jBoy Scouts is run by a national council that gets input from all of the local councils that are in themselves run by the parents and Leaders of the boys who are in Scouts or have been in Scouts. It is in the very tennets and fondation of scouting. You don't need to poll it. If you don't like it you either don't join or you quickly leave. The vast majority of those who are in the Scouts are Christian. They vast majority of Christains believe that homosexuallity is a sin or they don't believe the Bible (which wouldn't make them very good Christians). I don't wish anything bad on any one who feels they are homosexual, but the fact is that it isn't natural and it is a sin ( I know you all were waiting for that). That doesn't mean that I mean they any harm, or that I want them to be treated any differently by the law. But it doesn't mean I have to pack my son up and send them off for two weeks with a group of them. Its my choice. If you don't like it, again, start your own group.
Wrong. The scouts are a public secular organization that profess no faith. I was in a troop with christians, jews, hindus and buddhists. You really have no basis for stating that most scouts believe that homesexuality is a sin. Most people in the U.S. do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. Assuming that scouting is a relative crosssection of the U.S. population then most scouts do not either. You also can't assume that because people check the "Christian" box when asked about relition that they agree with all facets of the religion. Without real evidence of scouts opinions your statment is baseless.
Now why don't you and your boys join or start a church group which excludes those heathen jews and muslims instead of being in one that professes inclusivity of religion. Would you quit the scouts if they decided to allow athiests?
The issues of homosexuality and athiesm were never an issue until the extremists decided to shout loudest in the organization. Just another example of narrow-minded people trying to force their unpopular views on others to the detriment of those the organization is supposed to be helping.
