Brainstorming for new mod

seasnake · Sep 11, 2010

Hi guys, I have a new mod I'm working on. It will add six civs to the base 34: Gran Colombia, Israel, Songhai, Siam, Iroquois and Polynesia. Also, Native Americans is being changed to Sioux, and Vikings to Scandinavia. Whittling the Roster down to 40 leaders, 1 per civ, and each civ will have a Unique tech and a Unique Palace replacement, 2-3 UUs and 1-2 UBs.

What I need help with is 1) picking which leaders to keep/kill, 2) figuring out civ UA, UU, and UB.

Any ability that can be granted by a trait, promotion, tech, or building is on the table. Also any of the python traits people know about on this site are fair game.

New general units, eligible for replacement with UUs, include Special Forces, Lancers, Longswordsmen, Light Horseman, and Chariot Archers. the mod imports Dale's combat mod, so ranged attacks are on the table.

For example, I have four already done.

Egypt: Children of the Nile
Lead by Ramesses
-33 percent wonder construction
+1 food per farm
Start game with Pottery
UUs: War Chariot (same), Scythed Chariots (replace Horse Archers, +50 percent against melee), Mamluk (replace Cuirassier, 2 points stronger).
UB: Obelisk (same)

Aztec: Wrath of the Jaguar God
Lead by Montezuma
Gold for killing enemy units
Melee units +1 movement
Start game with world map centered
UUs: Jaguar (same), Jaguar Elite (replaces Longswordsman, Start with Woodsman 1, Amphibious).
UBs: Sacrificial Altar (same), Floating Gardens (replaces aqueduct, culture in city for own units killed in cultural borders).

America: We the People
Lead by Washington
No Unhappiness from Drafting
+1 happiness per city, monument, radio tower
Settlers start with Sentry, move 3 per turn.
UUs: Navy Seal (same), B-12 (greater range, bombard strength), G.I. (replaces paratrooper, can use enemy roads and move after combat victory).
UB: Mall

Mongolia: The Great Khan
Lead by Ghenghis
Start with source of horse
Free stable in every city
Double income from pillaging
UU: Keshik (replace Light Horseman), Hunnic Archer (replace knight, doesn't require Iron and 35 percent chance of withdrawal), Arsiyah (replaces Longswordsman, +25 against melee units).
UB: Ger (same)

mechaerik · Sep 12, 2010

Israel: The Chosen People
Lead by Solomon
Bonus to fighting within own borders
UUs: Maccabee (Swordsman), Djaman/ Dja Wielder (spear, bonus against melee)
UBs: Kibbutz (granary), Kotel (Walls, gives happiness with State Religion)

Russia: Mother Russia
Lead by Peter/Catherine
Enemies suffer attrition damage inside borders
Research bonus
UUs: Streltsy (Musketman, bonus to city attack), Cossack (same, I assume)
UBs: Research Institute (same), Gulag (Jail with production bonus)

like that?

Also, I think map centerin is more Maya than Aztec.

It also seems like your tryin to make Civ5.

seasnake · Sep 12, 2010

mechaerik said:
Israel: The Chosen People
Lead by Solomon
Bonus to fighting within own borders
UUs: Maccabee (Swordsman), Djaman/ Dja Wielder (spear, bonus against melee)
UBs: Kibbutz (granary), Kotel (Walls, gives happiness with State Religion)

Russia: Mother Russia
Lead by Peter/Catherine
Enemies suffer attrition damage inside borders
Research bonus
UUs: Streltsy (Musketman, bonus to city attack), Cossack (same, I assume)
UBs: Research Institute (same), Gulag (Jail with production bonus)

like that?

Also, I think map centering is more Maya than Aztec.

It also seems like your tryin to make Civ5.

Precisely, like that. I really like that for Israel, the Chosen People.

I'm not trying to make Civ V per se, but Civ V is the inspiration for this mod. The idea is truly distinct, unique civs with powers and bonuses all their own and a variety of UUs and UBs that make each one a lot of fun to play through. After that I'll add a few graphical touches (civ artstyles, unit formations and better terrain) and Nextwar to the very awesome RevolutionsDCM engine, and that should provide one heck of a gameplay experience.

Jarlaxe Baenre · Sep 12, 2010

seasnake said:
Aztec: Wrath of the Jaguar God
Lead by Montezuma
Gold for killing enemy units
Melee units +1 movement
Start game with world map centered
UUs: Jaguar (same), Jaguar Elite (replaces Longswordsman, Start with Woodsman 1, Amphibious).
UBs: Sacrificial Altar (same), Floating Gardens (replaces aqueduct, culture in city for own units killed in cultural borders).

Wrath of the Jaguar God? The Jaguar God was minor in their religion... maybe you could make it "Wrath of the Feathered Serpent", but not a minor god.

merijn_v1 · Sep 12, 2010

The Dutch: The Merchant Republic
Lead by Willem van Oranje
Water tiles +1 :commerce:

or +1

(definitely something with water)
1 or 2 extra trade routes per city
(+1 merchant (slot) in every city)
UUs: East Indiaman (same as vanilla game), Watergeus (Pikeman with Amphibious, 10% or 20% city defence), Fluyt (Caraval with +1 :move:

and less costs)
UBs: Dike (same as vanilla game), Molen (English: Mill, Granary with +3 :hammers:

and +25% ship building)

EDIT: Look at Rhye's and Fall of civilizations (and it's modmods). Their you'll find good unique abilities for each civ (UP= Unique power). (nice UUs and UBs too)

seasnake · Sep 12, 2010

merijn_v1 said:
The Dutch: The Merchant Republic
Lead by Willem van Oranje
Water tiles +1 or +1 (definitely something with water)
1 or 2 extra trade routes per city
(+1 merchant (slot) in every city)
UUs: East Indiaman (same as vanilla game), Watergeus (Pikeman with Amphibious, 10% or 20% city defence), Fluyt (Caraval with +1 and less costs)
UBs: Dike (same as vanilla game), Molen (English: Mill, Granary with +3 and +25% ship building)

EDIT: Look at Rhye's and Fall of civilizations (and it's modmods). Their you'll find good unique abilities for each civ (UP= Unique power). (nice UUs and UBs too)

Thanks for the tips and the contribution. I'll use this, except for the third one I'll make bonus happiness per windmill. So yeah, the Merchant Republic and The Chosen People. Great start!

Oh, and I'll look more into the Aztec pantheon.

merijn_v1 · Sep 13, 2010

seasnake said:
Thanks for the tips and the contribution. I'll use this, except for the third one I'll make bonus happiness per windmill. So yeah, the Merchant Republic and The Chosen People. Great start!

Oh, and I'll look more into the Aztec pantheon.

If you mean you change the +3 :hammers:

into +1 or +2

, I agree with you. But the ship production has to stay. (The Dutch invented a way to saw the timber for ships very accurate with those mills.)

seasnake · Sep 13, 2010

no, I meant the third UA power changed to happiness per windmill improvement on the map. Like a forest preserve. I agree the Molen should have a bonus production of ships.

mechaerik · Sep 27, 2010

Is this still being worked on? Quite honestly I rather like the concept, and I have some more ideas:

Inca: Subjects of the Sun
Lead by Pachacuti
No resistance in conquered cities
Units can move into mountains
UUs: Quecha (Same), Chasqui (Scout, ignores terrain movement costs)
UBs: Terrace (same), Kancha (courthouse, happiness bonus)

Turkey: ???
When a city is conquered, some culture is converted to Turkish culture
UUs: Janissary, Sipahi (Cuirassier, unknown bonus), Orban Gun (Cannon, city attack bonus)
UB: Hammam

China: All Under Heaven
More Great People
Longer Golden Ages
UUs: Cho-Ko-Nu, Fubing Infantry (swordsman, cheaper, first strike chance) Huochong (cannon, resourceless, cheaper)
UBs: Pavilion

England: Never Setting Sun
Lower distance maintenance costs.
Faster production of Ships of the Line, Frigates, and Privateers
UUs: Redcoat, Man O' War (Ship of the Line, strength bonus and first strikes; no bonus against frigates), Yeoman Archer (Longbow, bonus against melee and mounted)
UBs: Stock Exchange

Holy Rome: Heirs to an Empire
Lower per city maintenance costs.
Lower unit maintenance costs.
UUs: Landsknecht, Wagenburg (musket, bonus against mounted, 2:movement

UBs: Rathaus, Imperial Circle (Castle, gold bonus?)

G-Max · Sep 28, 2010

I've actually been working on my own Israel civ. It starts with Mysticism and Hunting, and is led by David, who is Aggressive and Creative. One of its Unique Units is the Merkava, which replaces Modern Armor, starts with March, and has +10% City Attack. Other UU candidates so far have been the Conscript (replaces Infantry), the Tamer (replaces Mechanized Infantry), and the Maccabee (replaces...???).

seasnake · Sep 28, 2010

mechaerik said:
Is this still being worked on? Quite honestly I rather like the concept, and I have some more ideas:

Inca: Subjects of the Sun
Lead by Pachacuti
No resistance in conquered cities
Units can move into mountains
UUs: Quecha (Same), Chasqui (Scout, ignores terrain movement costs)
UBs: Terrace (same), Kancha (courthouse, happiness bonus)

Turkey: ???
When a city is conquered, some culture is converted to Turkish culture
UUs: Janissary, Sipahi (Cuirassier, unknown bonus), Orban Gun (Cannon, city attack bonus)
UB: Hammam

China: All Under Heaven
More Great People
Longer Golden Ages
UUs: Cho-Ko-Nu, Fubing Infantry (swordsman, cheaper, first strike chance) Huochong (cannon, resourceless, cheaper)
UBs: Pavilion

England: Never Setting Sun
Lower distance maintenance costs.
Faster production of Ships of the Line, Frigates, and Privateers
UUs: Redcoat, Man O' War (Ship of the Line, strength bonus and first strikes; no bonus against frigates), Yeoman Archer (Longbow, bonus against melee and mounted)
UBs: Stock Exchange

Holy Rome: Heirs to an Empire
Lower per city maintenance costs.
Lower unit maintenance costs.
UUs: Landsknecht, Wagenburg (musket, bonus against mounted, 2:movement
UBs: Rathaus, Imperial Circle (Castle, gold bonus?)

Yes, and it's progressing well. The Civ part is still in the planning stage, but I should be able to start making the civs this weekend. I've been adding in some things I like, units and wonders from Rise of Empires (but only a few) and Nextwar to the RevolutionsDCM as a base. Also added Cultural Citystyles and Blue Marble Terrain, and I've been creating a unique palace, tech and trait for each civ so I can give them a combination of abilities. Right now I have five new civs to add (added Gran Colombia last night), several Leaders to remove, and then to ethnically artstyle the unit graphics. THEN I'll be putting together the civs.

Below in the Spoilers is my current plan, subject to change and good ideas. I'm using your name for Holy Roman. Some of these are shorthand notes but they'll get more refined in time.

BTW, do you know HOW to make a captured city quickly gain culture from the conqueror? OR how to drastically reduce maintenance on overseas Colonies? Or reduce unit maintenance? Because I'd love to buff Portugal and Ottomans a little more.
:

Spoiler :

G-Max · Sep 28, 2010

seasnake said:
BTW, do you know HOW to make a captured city quickly gain culture from the conqueror?

Theaters, Monuments, and Monasteries.

Or a Great Artist.

seasnake · Sep 28, 2010

G-Max said:
Theaters, Monuments, and Monasteries.

Or a Great Artist.

Right, but specifically something were a percentage of the culture flips automatically so you don't have to build those things? I mean I think it was done in RFC but if it's SDK that would be tough.

Baldyr · Sep 28, 2010

seasnake said:
Right, but specifically something were a percentage of the culture flips automatically so you don't have to build those things? I mean I think it was done in RFC but if it's SDK that would be tough.

Rhye has an entire application for this called the Culture Manager. It can be found in the RFCUtils.py file (see lines 2-4 below for the description):

Spoiler :

PHP:

        def cultureManager(self, tCityPlot, iCulturePercent, iNewOwner, iOldOwner, bBarbarian2x2Decay, bBarbarian2x2Conversion, bAlwaysOwnPlots):
                """Converts the culture of the city and of the surrounding plots to the new owner of a city.
                iCulturePercent determine the percentage that goes to the new owner.
                If old owner is barbarian, all the culture is converted"""

                pCity = gc.getMap().plot(tCityPlot[0], tCityPlot[1])
                city = pCity.getPlotCity()                

                #city
                if (pCity.isCity()):
                        iCurrentCityCulture = city.getCulture(iOldOwner)
                        city.setCulture(iOldOwner, iCurrentCityCulture*(100-iCulturePercent)/100, False)
                        if (iNewOwner != con.iBarbarian):
                                city.setCulture(con.iBarbarian, 0, True)
                        city.setCulture(iNewOwner, iCurrentCityCulture*iCulturePercent/100, False)
                        if (city.getCulture(iNewOwner) <= 10):
                                city.setCulture(iNewOwner, 20, False)

                #halve barbarian culture in a broader area
                if (bBarbarian2x2Decay or bBarbarian2x2Conversion):
                        if (iNewOwner != con.iBarbarian and iNewOwner != con.iIndependent and iNewOwner != con.iIndependent2):
                                for x in range(tCityPlot[0]-2, tCityPlot[0]+3):        # from x-2 to x+2
                                        for y in range(tCityPlot[1]-2, tCityPlot[1]+3):	# from y-2 to y+2                                
                                                iPlotBarbCulture = gc.getMap().plot(x, y).getCulture(con.iBarbarian)
                                                if (iPlotBarbCulture > 0):
                                                        if (gc.getMap().plot(x, y).getPlotCity().isNone() or (x==tCityPlot[0] and y==tCityPlot[1])):
                                                                if (bBarbarian2x2Decay):
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(con.iBarbarian, iPlotBarbCulture/4, True)
                                                                if (bBarbarian2x2Conversion):
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(con.iBarbarian, 0, True)
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(iNewOwner, iPlotBarbCulture, True)
                                                iPlotIndependentCulture = gc.getMap().plot(x, y).getCulture(con.iIndependent)
                                                if (iPlotIndependentCulture > 0):
                                                        if (gc.getMap().plot(x, y).getPlotCity().isNone() or (x==tCityPlot[0] and y==tCityPlot[1])):
                                                                if (bBarbarian2x2Decay):
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(con.iIndependent, iPlotIndependentCulture/4, True)
                                                                if (bBarbarian2x2Conversion):
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(con.iIndependent, 0, True)
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(iNewOwner, iPlotIndependentCulture, True)
                                                iPlotIndependent2Culture = gc.getMap().plot(x, y).getCulture(con.iIndependent2)
                                                if (iPlotIndependent2Culture > 0):
                                                        if (gc.getMap().plot(x, y).getPlotCity().isNone() or (x==tCityPlot[0] and y==tCityPlot[1])):
                                                                if (bBarbarian2x2Decay):
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(con.iIndependent2, iPlotIndependent2Culture/4, True)
                                                                if (bBarbarian2x2Conversion):
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(con.iIndependent2, 0, True)
                                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(iNewOwner, iPlotIndependent2Culture, True)
                                                                        
                #plot                               
                for x in range(tCityPlot[0]-1, tCityPlot[0]+2):        # from x-1 to x+1
                        for y in range(tCityPlot[1]-1, tCityPlot[1]+2):	# from y-1 to y+1
                                pCurrent = gc.getMap().plot(x, y)
                                
                                iCurrentPlotCulture = pCurrent.getCulture(iOldOwner)

                                if (pCurrent.isCity()):                                
                                        pCurrent.setCulture(iNewOwner, iCurrentPlotCulture*iCulturePercent/100, True)
                                        pCurrent.setCulture(iOldOwner, iCurrentPlotCulture*(100-iCulturePercent)/100, True)
                                else:
                                        pCurrent.setCulture(iNewOwner, iCurrentPlotCulture*iCulturePercent/3/100, True)
                                        pCurrent.setCulture(iOldOwner, iCurrentPlotCulture*(100-iCulturePercent/3)/100, True)

                                #cut other players culture
##                                for iCiv in range(iNumPlayers):
##                                        if (iCiv != iNewOwner and iCiv != iOldOwner):
##                                                iPlotCulture = gc.getMap().plot(x, y).getCulture(iCiv)
##                                                if (iPlotCulture > 0):
##                                                        gc.getMap().plot(x, y).setCulture(iCiv, iPlotCulture/3, True)
                                                        
                                #print (x, y, pCurrent.getCulture(iNewOwner), ">", pCurrent.getCulture(iOldOwner))

                                if (not pCurrent.isCity()):
                                        if (bAlwaysOwnPlots):
                                                pCurrent.setOwner(iNewOwner)
                                        else:
                                                if (pCurrent.getCulture(iNewOwner)*4 > pCurrent.getCulture(iOldOwner)):
                                                        pCurrent.setOwner(iNewOwner)                                        
                                        #print ("NewOwner", pCurrent.getOwner())

Now this method is specific for the RFC mod but it contains all the code needed to do this in Python none-the-less. It would be possible to add this method to your own mod and edit it for your purposes, or perhaps even to just import the RFCUtils module to your own module but you still need to supply the necessary variables (constants, actuallY) for it to work. Both options require some Python skill, though. Because you need to understand what the code does in order to adjust it.

seasnake · Sep 28, 2010

Alright Baldyr. I'm hoping to actively work on traits this weekend, in fact the first one I'm doing is Russia based on your help with Russian Winter. I'd love to have this ability and give it the Ottoman Empire. I have done very basic work with Python, so if I get in over my head here (which seems likely) I'll shout for help!

Baldyr · Sep 28, 2010

By the way, this is what the Turkish Unique Power looks like in RFC:

Spoiler :

The code relies on another method in RFCUtils - convertPlotCulture():

Spoiler :

And there is also a reference to:

Spoiler :

There is basically one big issue with all the code found in RFC: The functions are part of some class, making them into methods. So you could have your own class just to be able to keep the code more or less intact, but this would potentially make it difficult to use the code. (As you'd have to adopt Object-Oriented Programming to access them.)

If you instead wanna turn these methods into regular functions you basically need to drop one level of indentation, and delete all references to "self" - as that is a reference to the class (or an instance of that class). You have no use for a class, so you might as well do that.

mechaerik · Sep 29, 2010

seasnake said:
Yes, and it's progressing well. The Civ part is still in the planning stage, but I should be able to start making the civs this weekend. I've been adding in some things I like, units and wonders from Rise of Empires (but only a few) and Nextwar to the RevolutionsDCM as a base. Also added Cultural Citystyles and Blue Marble Terrain, and I've been creating a unique palace, tech and trait for each civ so I can give them a combination of abilities. Right now I have five new civs to add (added Gran Colombia last night), several Leaders to remove, and then to ethnically artstyle the unit graphics. THEN I'll be putting together the civs.

Awesome. Looking forward to it.

seasnake said:
BTW, do you know HOW to make a captured city quickly gain culture from the conqueror?

Baldyr has already revealed it.

seasnake said:
OR how to drastically reduce maintenance on overseas Colonies?

I thought perhaps it could be done in python, but after checking the API, I dont think so (although I have been wrong before). That being said, it shouldnt be that hard to clone the tag; Ive done it before. IIRC, I also managed to clone the tag for drafting, allowing you to draft without Nationhood. Ive think ive also cloned the tag for State Religion happiness. Again though, I have been wrong before (I tried making it so a trait suffers less or more war weariness, but it causes crashes); it may be much more difficult to clone than I think.

seasnake said:
Or reduce unit maintenance?

See above.

seasnake · Sep 30, 2010

Mod has a name: Glory and Greatness. It's background will be the scene in the intro to Civ V showing Istanbul. Menu Music is Civ V.

seasnake · Oct 2, 2010

New Menu Page done, the leaders are done, the Units are being Styled right now. Things are looking good so far.

Brainstorming for new mod

Conquistador

Tuturuu!

Conquistador

Emperor

Black Belt

Conquistador

Black Belt

Conquistador

Tuturuu!

Deity

Conquistador

Deity

Conquistador

"Hit It"

Conquistador

"Hit It"

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Conquistador

Conquistador

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