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Brazil - Pedro II Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by zwei833, Aug 2, 2016.

  1. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    I'm not sure if the amenities are permanent. They may contribute towards Golden Ages or something. The big payoff is the GPP at the end.
     
  2. Denkt

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    Brazil may be extreamly strong at culture victory as you can get alot of great artist which also deny them from other civs while the rainforest bonus may work into your advantage and the carnival district will help you as well.

    One big advantage with Brazil is how flexible its bonus can be, you can pretty much turn the civ into great at anything thanks to how great people can influence everything.
     
  3. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    The rainforest seems like decent tiles. Some are 2F1P and some are 3F. You probably won't tear them out until you start needing additional housing.
     
  4. Denkt

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    They do however give negative appeal. It would be interesting to know how specialist work in Civ VI, that is one big thing yet to be revealed and how accessible they are effect the value of Pedro's ability.
     
  5. pedrobarbosa

    pedrobarbosa Chieftain

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    I would rather prefer to see The Inca from seeing Brazil in vanilla's civ.
    But seeing what they did with Brazil and Pedro II pleased me a lot.

    First of all, Brazil in civ v was a picturesque civ, where all types of burlesque stereotypes were merged together:
    Carnival, wood extraction and pracinhas.

    For civ vi it is clear that they have made a research to create the civ.
    Pedro II was famous, even in Europe (especially France), to be an intellectual monarch. He was a close friend of Victor Hugo and Charles Darwin and have maintained some contact by letters and meetings with Nietzsche.
    As emperor he created many institutes of research in Brazil and invested in the creation of some others abroad (ex: Pasteur Institute)
    By result Brazil quickly became an educational potency in south america. It is important to remember that the portuguese colonization did no invest in education as the spanish did. Universities and research institutes on spanic colonies were created as soon as possible (XVI, XVII centuries, for example). In Brazil the educational system was only founded in XIX century, after the independence. Before that it was common to go to Coimbra and Evora (portuguese's universities) to have some study.
    So yes, the GP bonus for Pedro II is perfect.

    Minas Geraes as UU: The research surprised me, it was a good shot, but not the best. I would prefer bandeirantes as explorers.

    Carnival: it pisses me off. It is like to have "pasta della mamma" for Italians and "politesse française" for France. Of course, Carnival is a famous and important event in Brazil, but get it as a civic trait?
    A diplomatic trait would fit better. We have acquired part of our territory by it, as we have a good relation with antagonic forces in the world (USA, Iran and Russia) and have a kind of imperalistic policy in south america and Africa.

    Concerning others leaders:
    Getúlio Vargas: A really important one. He set up the foundations of an economic model (national-development) followed by the others presidents on the xx century. At the same time, it is a risky choice, he was influenced by the fascism and became a dictator. His figure is not consensual.
    Lula: Another important president. He almost erradicated the misery and included many poors in the middle class. At the same time he continued an alliance with the companies and part of the riches, a really astute diplomatic move. But his successor, Dilma, modified his economic model increasing the inflation and masking a crise to gain the reelection.
    At the same time Lula is being prosecuted to be envolved in some corruption schemes. The country is divided, some believing in his culpability and others not. Today his choice would be terrible.
     
  6. VermelhoRed

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    Like I told the other dude earlier, your lack of knowledge is not Brazil's fault, but yours. I tried helping you because you seemed more receptive, but if you don't want to know, it's fine too. You could have used this occasion to discover some cool stuff though. Just don't think you're the measure for what's internationally known, for any of the arts. Brazil has consistently great, and internationally known, music and cinema, from at least the 1950s to here. Our literature is less proeminent, but it's starting to get the appreciation it deserves, and I've heard Lispector is getting really popular abroad these days.
     
  7. Zaarin

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    I'm not trying to slight Brazil; it's simply not a nation that stands out for its artists, scientists, engineers, etc. As I said, every nation can produce a list of great people who were significant for the development of that nation, but one would expect a civilization that gets a bonus to their development would have produced a large list of internationally significant great people--as France, England, China, Greece, Germany, etc. have done. Again, this isn't a slight to Brazil--it's merely a comment that the gameplay bonus is odd.
     
  8. DeutschDachs

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    What consistent internationally known Brazilian cinema is there? I can think of City of God and Pixote... beyond that?
     
  9. fabituz

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    This. Brazil never was a military power, and his culture (despite of being very rich) is very tied to Brazilians way of life, it´s not easily "translated" to other cultures. On the other hand, Brazilian diplomacy is very good at not to piss off the major powers (US, EU, China), at the same time promoting his image and trade with a lot of countries, even countries like Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Israel and so forth.
     
  10. DarthStarkiller

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    He looks awful. I really hope Firaxis will fix him later like they did with Teddy. At least color his hair correctly, come on. And young Pedro was supposed to be handsome, not... whatever he looks like now.
     
  11. Scaramanga

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    He seems like the Lincoln of Brazil. That would probably count out multiple leaders for America.
     
  12. Zaarin

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    Why? Because they couldn't possibly choose someone other than Lincoln? :confused: If they wanted to appeal to traditionalists, there's still Washington, and Adams, Madison, and Jefferson would all be interesting choices as well, and very distinct from TR.
     
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    What I'm saying is we do stand out for our artists, it's just you who doesn't know them. I don't see this a slight, merely a gap in your knowledge, which you could remedy, if you want to (or not, it's your choice).
     
  14. Eagle Pursuit

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    Everyone who was worried that Americana Stadium replaced the Cristo Redentor, it is in the civics tree at Mass Media.
     
  15. Homusubi

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    About the Maracana (apologies for lack of Portuguese diacritic): what exactly is special about it? I know that most people here seem to not want it as a wonder anyway, but what was Firaxis's logic? It's not a particularly big football stadium or anything, and there are more famous ones in the world.
     
  16. nunor

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    Maracana, not Americana.

    I'm guessing it's because it was the largest soccer stadium in the world when it was built.
     
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    The biggest one. It had 200000 seats at its peak.
     
  18. Eagle Pursuit

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    Sorry. Autocorrect doesn't like Portuguese.
     
  19. Makenshi

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    Just a heads up for anyone who may be confused about the UU:

    a) there was a brand new dreadnought called 'Minas Geraes', which is the UU and, from what I read, was actually a badass ship; too bad it was soon eclipsed by the introduction of super-dreadnoughts like the Yamato, from Japan.

    b) there was a 2nd hand aircraftcarrier built in the 40's, that was baptized 'A-11 Minas Gerais' when we bought it from England [prior, it was called HMS Vengeance]. This one has nothing to do with the UU.

    Gameplay wise, I think if dreadnoughts are longer lived than in Civ5 [destroyers usually came shortly after], I think the MG will kick some serious ass, due to longer range. I suppose now the dreads will be ranged like frigates, not melee like privateers; we do know from experience how +1 range is awesome *cough* longbows *cough*
     
  20. Josephias

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    Maracana is the temple of temples of Football. Think Wembley in England, or Parc des Princes for France, or San Siro for Italy, then multiply it by several... If you want to point out a remarkable stadium in Football (Soccer), it is Maracana, no doubt. If you want to consider a professional sport of global, widespread follow-up, it is Soccer. If you want something to represent modern world "people's entertainment", it is professional sports. Thus, pending the effect reveal, Maracana does not represent only the stadium itself, but the "wonder" of professional sports industry.
     

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