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Brexit Thread III - How to instantly polarise your country without even trying

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Arakhor, Oct 26, 2017.

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  1. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    That's (a) because German specialises in being long-winded and (b) your nobility were only pseudo-abolished and their titles were converted into their surnames. :)

    Well, if it's all an act, he should probably be prosecuted for criminal negligence. How it will affect Brexit is anyone's business.
     
  2. EnglishEdward

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    Just in case you have not noticed, the EU are not negotiating. So your question is purely theoretical.


    That has been what has been happening for the last two years.


    Nobody here believes that Britain is on its way to being a superpower again.

    We can do the maths, UK is about 1% of global land area and 1% of global population.

    In fact the MOD has just about realised that it can not try to imitate the USA full spectrum stategy even on a truly miniature scale,
    and it will have to make a hard choice as to which functional capabilities it tries to keep and which functions it simply abandons.

    But yes if the surrender agreement is signed, people here will say Britain was on its way to independence again when (insert name of new
    government here) stabbed the British people in the back by signing the shameful and disastrous treaty that became the non Brexit agreement.
     
  3. Senethro

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    Brexit cannot fail, it can only be failed! If Brexiting doesn't solve all your ills then clearly you weren't brexiting hard enough!
     
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    2% or 3% of GDP.
    Cohesion between Labour-Tory or not that much cohesion on a strategy.
    More depth or more breadth, more capabilities or less high-level for better exportability, more allignment to UK industry or import dependency from US.
    Real choices indeed.

    If industry and securing jobs have the highest priority, are most choices then not already made ?
     
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    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    Have you forgotten? All of Brexit was defined by one singular day in June two years ago. Absolutely everything that has happened beyond then is The Will of The PeopleTM. :rolleyes:
     
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    Who said this ?

    And is it realistic ?

     
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    That sounds like the Labour policy on Brexit. It's going to be more realistic than any of the Tory proposals, by default, but given that Labour aren't negotiating...
     
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    Correct :)
    (did not expect that so fast)
    I cut away all the lines that were only anti-Tory of the formal summary of Labour re Brexit.

    It is I think also more realistic than anything of the Tories.... most certainly as start for the negotiations 2 years ago.
    Perhaps the EU would also have been more willing for a kind of Norway deal adapted to some minor special wishes (just like Norway has them).
    But I don't know how much would be possible in the current situation if Labour would get the rudder of the UK

    (that was what I was pondering about)
     
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    Its the EU fault ?
    The UK best trade negosiators all resigned, knowing they were in an impossible position and the goals werent realistic

    As the smaller economic power in this negosiation, The UK is not in a position to demand large concessions and give nothing in return.
    Else you can try a hard Brexit, but who would be crazy enough to pull the trigger ?
     
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    They were even more of a B team than Gareth Southgate's side versa Belgium.


    From our perspective it it is the EU demanding large concessions and offering nothing in return.


    Trigger already pulled, two years ago.
     
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    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    You mean your perspective. The silent majority is just that - silent.
     
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    Edward, leaving aside your fact that the EU is evil and so must be opposed as a moral imperative, what should be done to ensure a good outcome for the UK and its citizens?
     
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    I can think of some relevant Star Wars quotes:

    "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"
    "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."
    "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
     
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    The UK should simply Leave, and without any 18 month transition period because that is simply a trap.

    The EU isn't going to accept or offer anything other than a disastrous deal before we leave.

    I am not going to discuss evil.

    Your other two quotes are indeed very relevant. There are some here who think that the UK
    should accept a disastrous deal and try to improve it in the eighteen month transition period.
    They do not understand that that is not how power dynamics work. The EU wll instead demand
    further concessions during the 18 month period, and then likely renege on anything they agree.
     
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    two more resigned
    a bit late spring clean up

    Maria Caulfield has resigned as Tory vice-chair for women and Ben Bradley as vice-chair for youth

    If I were May I would do anything to provoke the hard Brexiteers in a veiled way to put the confidence vote up

    I guess she wil win that
    clean ship
     
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    I think a lot of people just disagree with you on what constitutes a "disastrous deal."
     
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    On this forum, yes; the majority do disagree with me; but in Britain; it is generally accepted that the deal is disastrous.

    The only debates are whether it is worse than no deal, and with the Remainers and Leavers blaming each other.

    I do not believe that the UK Parliament will be able to agree, and will likely refer it back to the voters for another referendum.

    A: Remain

    B: The Deal

    C: Leave without the Deal
     
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    I suppose I'm not the most astute observer of UK politics, but I'm pretty sure that in Britain it is not "generally accepted" that anything but the hardest of hard Brexits is "disastrous".
     
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    I am not going to debate with a double negative. Most people, inluding myself, would prefer a deal and are prepared to compromise.

    But the EU stance isn't seen as including any compromise.
     
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    Cameron should have known that better as nobody else
    and should have based his referendum questions on that
     
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