The EU will ... then likely renege on anything they agree.
I don't know what on earth leads you to suppose that.
The EU will ... then likely renege on anything they agree.
The UK should simply Leave, and without any 18 month transition period because that is simply a trap.
Possibly due to oxygen deprivation to their morality and intellect.We like our bumbling fools to have vaguely blue blood, don't you know?
It's a bit hard to negotiate when the opposing party's leading negotiator can't even average an hour a month of actually being there to negotiate. The EU might have positions you do not like, but at least they have their negotiators there.Just in case you have not noticed, the EU are not negotiating.
Not being in the EU!Why? What are the benefits?
I am not going to debate with a double negative. Most people, inluding myself, would prefer a deal and are prepared to compromise.
But the EU stance isn't seen as including any compromise.
Despite how it might be playing out in the media no deal has been agreed yet. The UK proposal hasn't even been put on paper nevermind presented to the EU.On this forum, yes; the majority do disagree with me; but in Britain; it is generally accepted that the deal is disastrous.
The only debates are whether it is worse than no deal, and with the Remainers and Leavers blaming each other.
I do not believe that the UK Parliament will be able to agree, and will likely refer it back to the voters for another referendum.
A: Remain
B: The Deal
C: Leave without the Deal
Key question is: which privileges/benefits of EU membership is the actually UK prepared to give up in connection with "Brexit that means Brexit"?the deal is disastrous.
From my point of view, the primary privilege/benefit we are giving up is freedom of movement. I understand that there are those who do not view this as a privilege at the moment, I fear they may be forced to learn the error of their ways by hard experience.Key question is: which privileges/benefits of EU membership is the actually UK prepared to give up in connection with "Brexit that means Brexit"?
Looking from here, the answer seems to be "none".
If it ends up we have 20% unemployment and France has 2% these people may change their minds. I very much hope it does not come to that, but it is a very real possibility.As the great majority of UK citizens do not wish to settle elsewhere in the EU, being
able to do so without a permit or visa is only a trivial benefit for a minority of UK citizens.
I can understand the argument that being part of the EU
is an insurance policy, but to date not so many UK nationals
unrelated to other member state nationals have secured
work there, and it is unclear to me how the right to travel
without a visa is a real benefit if, for cultural preference
reasons, the jobs are simply not offered to UK nationals.
Minez Brittania! All Minez!It is indeed unfair that dirty foreigners were able to trade up their country of residence, while you were unable to do so given that you live in the best nation on gods green earth.
And really, England is so very Little that there isn't enough of it to go around. Best horde it miserly or else it will run out!
Minez Brittania! All Minez!
What the the EU means by freedom of movement is the right for EU state
nationals to settle in other member states and demand the same status as
to employment opportunities, public housing and benefits as their own nationals.
As the great majority of UK citizens do not wish to settle elsewhere in the EU, being
able to do so without a permit or visa is only a trivial benefit for a minority of UK citizens.
Germany limits EU citizens' access to benefits
Angela Merkel's cabinet has rubberstamped a new welfare plan that will make it harder for EU migrants to claim unemployment benefits in German
EU immigrants cannot claim "Hartz IV" until they've been living in Germany for five years - before that deadline, the home country is responsible for paying their benefits.
According to Germany's Federal Labor Agency, 440,000 non-German EU nationals received social welfare in January this year - topping the list were Polish nationals with around 92,000 recipients, followed by Italians (71,000), Bulgarians (70,000), Romanians (57,000) and Greeks (46,000). They represent around a tenth of the 4.1 million EU immigrants living in Germany, and similarly a tenth of the total 4.3 million Hartz IV recipients in Germany.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-limits-eu-citizens-access-to-benefits/a-36026606