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Brexit Thread III - How to instantly polarise your country without even trying

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Arakhor, Oct 26, 2017.

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  1. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    I don't know what on earth leads you to suppose that.
     
  2. Senethro

    Senethro Overlord

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    Why? What are the benefits?
     
  3. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours.
    Possibly due to oxygen deprivation to their morality and intellect.
    It's a bit hard to negotiate when the opposing party's leading negotiator can't even average an hour a month of actually being there to negotiate. The EU might have positions you do not like, but at least they have their negotiators there.
    Not being in the EU!
     
  4. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    You saw how hard it is to negosiate a free trade deal with India which economy is smaller then the UKs and India demanded you allow for more Indian immigration.
    Did the UK compromise and give India concession ? No ? Uk told India to take a hike.
     
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    Despite how it might be playing out in the media no deal has been agreed yet. The UK proposal hasn't even been put on paper nevermind presented to the EU.
     
  6. Yeekim

    Yeekim Moderator Moderator

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    Key question is: which privileges/benefits of EU membership is the actually UK prepared to give up in connection with "Brexit that means Brexit"?
    Looking from here, the answer seems to be "none".
     
  7. Samson

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    From my point of view, the primary privilege/benefit we are giving up is freedom of movement. I understand that there are those who do not view this as a privilege at the moment, I fear they may be forced to learn the error of their ways by hard experience.
     
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    What the the EU means by freedom of movement is the right for EU state
    nationals to settle in other member states and demand the same status as
    to employment opportunities, public housing and benefits as their own nationals.

    As the great majority of UK citizens do not wish to settle elsewhere in the EU, being
    able to do so without a permit or visa is only a trivial benefit for a minority of UK citizens.
     
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  9. Senethro

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    When such a British person sees a couple of specialty Polish/Eastern European food shelves in the local Tesco, they involuntarily sputter and scowl and hurry past the upsetting sight.
     
  10. EnglishEdward

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    Oh, really.

    How many times have you personally observed that in the last year?
    and how do you know that those people are British, wearing Union Jacks?.

    In my local Morrisons most people just look straight past it for more familiar food.
    Occasionally they may look at it with a puzzled, what is it how do I cook it expression
    but sputtering and scowling - no. I suggest you try a better class of supermarket.
     
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    If it ends up we have 20% unemployment and France has 2% these people may change their minds. I very much hope it does not come to that, but it is a very real possibility.
     
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    We already have 20% unemployment, but half of them are
    unaware of it being conned into six forms and universities.

    I can understand the argument that being part of the EU
    is an insurance policy, but to date not so many UK nationals
    unrelated to other member state nationals have secured
    work there, and it is unclear to me how the right to travel
    without a visa is a real benefit if, for cultural preference
    reasons, the jobs are simply not offered to UK nationals.
     
  13. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    We chose to give EU nationals the same privileges as Britons because we failed to impose any of the allowable caveats on such behaviour. As with so much of this whole fiasco, that's a failure of our government, not the EU.
     
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  14. Senethro

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    It is indeed unfair that dirty foreigners were able to trade up their country of residence, while you were unable to do so given that you live in the best nation on gods green earth.

    And really, England is so very Little that there isn't enough of it to go around. Best hoard it miserly or else it will run out!
     
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  15. Broken_Erika

    Broken_Erika Nothing

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    Minez Brittania! All Minez!
     
  16. GoodSarmatian

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    That's the plan for a hard Brexit without access to the common market ?
    Bring back coal mining ?
     
  17. FriendlyFire

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    Why dont you just do what the other EU countries are doing ? Is the EU stopping you for simply putting restrictions on benefits of EU members applying for welfare ?
    Also large numbers of EU nationals are married to UK citizens apply for benefits
    Stop blaming the EU

     
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  18. Arwon

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    There are about 1.2 million UK nationals living elsewhere in the EU. Not really a trivial amount, it's a sizeable diaspora, and English people voted to make life uncertain and potentially difficult for them.

    The UK also has a fairly low foreign-born population in general, only about 12% or so, which is about middling for the OECD. The whole "swamped" thing is pretty much imagined.

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    Plus only about half of that population are EU nationals, Polish being the biggest group followed by Irish.
     
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  19. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    Of course, anyone under 18 or those living abroad for more than 15 years didn't even get a vote in the referendum. I understand that there has to be a cut-off point somewhere, but perhaps disenfranchising your teenagers and those who are likely to be directly affected by a Leave result is not the fairest idea.
     
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  20. Arwon

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    Quite so.
     
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