Brexit Thread III - How to instantly polarise your country without even trying

[dutchfire]

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

 

[Arakhor]

At the risk of coining a phrase here, Brexit hasn't actually happened yet.

I just saw the 13th Oct episode of The Last Leg (the live Channel 4 show taking a humorous look at the week's news), and their Twitter poll of the week was collecting alternative names for Brexit to make it seem friendlier. My favourite one was "Great British Break-Off."

Also, courtesy of @ssamani on Twitter:

Spoiler Two large images :

 

[Takhisis]

Well this is a surprise!

'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41893598

Spoiler, it's part of a five-year trend, Brexit does not correlate with any observable change one way or the other.

Clearly we should vote to leave the EU every few years. Even if we're not in the EU.

 

[Takhisis]

A .pdf worth reading – all seven pages of it. These are the very last two paragraphs:

Following the Suez parallel, if Clinton had won the US Presidency in November 2016, is it possible the UK might have dumped Brexit by now? The ‘centre’ emboldened by numerous US telephone calls and briefings and, rallying behind whoever is flavour of the month in respectable politics, would have found a way to drop the matter. But Trump is President, not Clinton. This hasn’t and won’t happen and – carrying on the football terminology – we are now resigning (or being expelled) from the league after failing to fulfil our
fixtures.
So, does the election of Trump mean, ironically for keen Brexiteers and hopefully for hard-line Corbyn fans, the end of US interference in UK matters? Or are we merely living in a country where it’s all just legerdemain and stage management by an increasingly deluded people?​

(just food for thought, brought to you by the letter F for fiftychat)

 

[FriendlyFire]

The rejection of Liberalism
and the time to try Nationalism (socialism) again

I think that the refugee crisis and EU botched, policies as well as individual nations each going their own way. created a situation for major dissatisfaction. On top of Germanys mishandling of the economic crash made an ideal storm for the rise of Nationalism and failure of Liberal ideas

 

[Silurian]

Well this is a surprise!

'UK wellbeing rises after Brexit vote'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41893598

As Traitorfish showed from your link wellbeing has been mostly on the rise since before 2012.
I am not sure when this survey started but I recall talk about it after the coalition came to power in 2010, please correct me if I am wrong.
I would imagine that there was a low point after the banking crises and since then people have been recovering from or adjusting to changed circumstances.

 

[Silurian]

Last Wednesday may lost a cabinet minister following a number of sexual harassment reports about Michael Fallon the defence secretary.

From The Observer

""The dramatic circumstances of Sir Michael Fallon’s sudden resignation as defence secretary last week can be revealed by the Observer.

The cabinet heavyweight’s shock departure on Wednesday followed a phone call from the journalist, Jane Merrick, who informed Downing Street that he had lunged at her and attempted to kiss her on the lips in 2003 after they had lunched together.""

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/michael-fallon-defence-secretary-sexual-harassment

This Wednesday after being told to fly back from a visit to Africa it looks like Priti Patel will go or people will be asking why she had to cut her trip short.


From BBC

""The international development secretary was ordered by the PM to cut short an African trip to fly back to the UK.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said Ms Patel's sacking seemed "almost inevitable now".
""

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41904459

 

[Lexicus]

Spoiler, it's part of a five-year trend, Brexit does not correlate with any observable change one way or the other.

I'm glad we had the same reaction on seeing the data.

 

[Silurian]

Priti Patel has resigned but the brexiteers claim it is a remainer plot. More splits in the government ahead!

From Express (pro Brexit tabloid)

""Calls for Priti Patel and Boris Johnson to stand down following controversies are being “drummed up” by Pro-EU elements in the Labour Party to derail Brexit, Nadhim Zahawi claimed.""

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...Boris-Johnson-Newsnight-Brexit-EU-Labour-Iran

Edit

Link to resignation letter and May's reply

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ti-patel-secret-israel-meetings-politics-live

 

[Takhisis]

Calls for Priti Patel and Boris Johnson to stand down following controversies are being “drummed up” by Pro-EU elements in the Labour Party to derail Brexit, Nadhim Zahawi claimed.

So it's to strike a blow at the Brexit Project, rather than, say, because they are extremely bad at their jobs, have been so for years also in previous positions, and show no sign of improvement?

 

[Silurian]

So it's to strike a blow at the Brexit Project, rather than, say, because they are extremely bad at their jobs, have been so for years also in previous positions, and show no sign of improvement?

The trouble is many people "read" the express and they will ask their MP what is going on. It will boast UKIP and it would have been good for May to keep Patel close rather than sniping from the back benches. But if she had kept her May would have lost even more authority.

As I quoted from the Express, not Silurian said, you edited out the quotes

From Express (pro Brexit tabloid)

""Calls for Priti Patel and Boris Johnson to stand down following controversies are being “drummed up” by Pro-EU elements in the Labour Party to derail Brexit, Nadhim Zahawi claimed.""

 

[Arakhor]

The Express isn't just pro-Brexit: their guiding principles are worshipping the memory of Princess Diana, obsessing over any possible European influence and catering to OAPs who still haven't converted to Celsius yet.

 

[Traitorfish]

The Express isn't just pro-Brexit: their guiding principles are worshipping the memory of Princess Diana, obsessing over any possible European influence and catering to OAPs who still haven't converted to Celsius yet.

"Yet" implies a "will", which strikes me as unlikely.

 

[Arakhor]

Well, time is hardly on their side. There really can't be many people left who understand Fahrenheit, let alone use it exclusively.

 

[Lexicus]

Well, time is hardly on their side. There really can't be many people left who understand Fahrenheit, let alone use it exclusively.

A friend of mine actually made an argument that Fahrenheit is preferable to Celsius as it has a higher "resolution" and is more attuned to the set of temperatures that humans normally experience.

 

[Silurian]

There was a thread about Fahrenheit vs celsius a few years ago!

 

[Takhisis]

As I quoted from the Express, not Silurian said, you edited out the quotes

The forum software does not allow pyramid quoting.

Well, time is hardly on their side. There really can't be many people left who understand Fahrenheit, let alone use it exclusively.

Other than the U.S. of A.…

A friend of mine actually made an argument that Fahrenheit is preferable to Celsius as it has a higher "resolution" and is more attuned to the set of temperatures that humans normally experience.

Is it now? Because veteran centigraders just use tenths of degrees. And anyone doing chemistry or physics will use Kelvin anyway.

 

[Lexicus]

Is it now? Because veteran centigraders just use tenths of degrees. And anyone doing chemistry or physics will use Kelvin anyway.

*shrug* I didn't say I agreed with it, it was just a new argument for me. I never heard Fahrenheit-apologism before that. And this friend of mine has politics pretty similar to mine, so it's not like he thinks the metric system is a godless Communist trojan horse or something.

 

[Takhisis]

It's not as if Communism hadn't been invented in London anyway.

 

[Samson]

Well, time is hardly on their side. There really can't be many people left who understand Fahrenheit, let alone use it exclusively.

What is with this Fahrenheit hatred? It is not like there are 12 0.1 F's in 1F.

I am only a little bit embarrassed that while I can only weather and cooking in Celsius, I can only do body temperature in Fahrenheit.