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Brexit Thread IV - They're laughing with us, not at us

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Traitorfish, Jul 13, 2018.

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  1. AmazonQueen

    AmazonQueen Virago

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    It wasn't doing ok hence why both Tory and Labour governments wanted in.
    Look at growth statistics or productivity. We've been in steady decline since WW II even relative to our European neighbours never mind the fast expanding economies of Asia.
    Sadly the EU wasn't a magic solution. Nor was the Thatcherite revolution. Nor was Blair's dream of us being a hi-tech powerhouse whilst the 3rd world did the actual building of stuff.
    In the meantime our businesses continue to prioritise short-term rewards for shareholders over investing in their businesses for the longterm.
     
  2. Hrothbern

    Hrothbern Deity

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    Classic manufacturing better be far away from a Stock Exchange
    In the last few decades investments to grow manufacturing in size and level delivered lower returns than buying shares in a wide variety of compagnies not contributing to a healthy economy.
    Like the City
    The downfall of the UK since the 70ies has I think more to do with the power of big money. The US affected as well, only there the general growth was bigger from other factors.
    Both the UK and the US see their income inequality grow rapidly since the 80ies, much more than EU and many other countries.
    The UK choose to follow the US Big Money model, and many in the UK want to continue that.
    Good Luck
     
  3. Oerdin

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    Wrt #3 BMW originally sold Chrysler engines made in Brazil in the mini. The hard reality is the EU is a low growth, high regulation, extremely protectionist market. A 3% tariff is going to matter a whole lot and gaining access to free trade with the rest of the world (which is all growing faster and which is far larger) would be a major net positive. The Eurocrats know that thus their desire to block free trade.
     
  4. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    Is it just the EU you hate, Oerdin? I don't recall you railing against Trump's protectionism in other threads.
     
  5. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours.
    He's a free-trade fundamentalist. If we set him in a cage with innonimatu they'd either do a fusion dance or argue one another to death.
    Those are usually called opinion pieces. Which, strangely enough, Mr. A.B.dP. Johnson and many others generally don't try to do. One wonders what they read in university, other than Penthouse.
     
  6. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    Pax Britannia ?
    Well Germany seems to have done fine after it lost its empire (and two world wars)

    As for running deficits, Iam pretty sure that the EU has laws against running large deficits and accumulating too much debt
    The rules I believe are now relaxed since the Financial Crisis of 2008 as the EU is trying stimulus to spur their economies.
     
  7. Silurian

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    the EU was also obviously responsible for wiping out the dinosaurs:mischief::mischief::mischief:
     
  8. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    Except in Northern Ireland, where some are still running for office. :p
     
  9. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    fine, take your like, damn you
     
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  10. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    "Smash the IRA!!!" :p
     
  11. Manfred Belheim

    Manfred Belheim Moaner Lisa

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    I was clearly expressing something there. An opinion in fact. I can't think of any reason why lowering the voting age from 18 to 16 (or lower?) would be a general improvement at all. The fact that it only ever seems to be suggested by idealogues for whom such a change would benefit their agenda seems to support that. "It would garner more votes for what I want" isn't a very good argument, but that's essentially the only argument that's given.

    Yeah and? We let 5 year olds wear clothes and speak too. So what?
     
  12. Senethro

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    You barely expressed anything at all. The literal meaning of your post was "Thats a good idea" and given that you seem to get very upset when other posters don't use precise speech and harangue them for pages about it, I wonder why you would choose to communicate in this way yourself.

    Your posts are so sparse of content and meaning that they have to be interpreted through who you tend to reply to and who you tend to click like on, which offer more information about you than anything you offer about yourself. You're a bit of a shadow cast upon a cave wall than a being showing visible dimensions.
     
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  13. Kyriakos

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    Start of uni (or analogous) is a logical time to allow one to vote. Iirc it is at 17-18 for most countries anyway (right to vote).
    Giving the vote to school kids would be a very bad idea.
     
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    Are you implying that 5 year olds might not cast their votes wisely?
     
  15. Arakhor

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    Wasn't your argument that we shouldn't let 16-17 year-olds vote on the future of the UK, simply because they're legal minors? Somehow, I think that reproduction has a far greater effect on our species than voting on a vital matter two years earlier than normal.
     
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    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    I noticed an article in the Guardian saying that if this had been an election, it would have been declared invalid and forced to rerun, but that since that this was "merely" an advisory referendum, that law doesn't automatically apply and the Govt is wilfully ignoring the precedent.
     
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    The precedent must not be allowed to interfere with the will of the people!
     
  19. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Super Moderator

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    The will of the people as expressed after illegal levels of spending on one side only, you mean?
     
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    Campaign laws must not interfere with the will of The People™!
    furthermore;
    Facts, Reality, Truth and Critical/Independent Thinking must not cloud the will of The People™!
     
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