Brexit Thread VI - The Knockout Phase ?!?

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Wasn't that what would obviously happen? Brexit party is supposed to be Ukip v.2

I'm hoping it means that Brits aren't prepared to embrace the outright xenophobia of Batten and Robinson. They still prefer the coded racism of Farage. Not good but at least its not getting worse.
 
Choose the Europe You want to grow up in


I read the youtube comments for this and it's depressing. And I don't understand why the negative comments are so much upvoted. It doesn't even say who to vote for. Only that you should vote. Sure, there is some legitimate concern for article 13, but still.
 
@metatron this is required reading.
Does this differ from the original ad?
If not:
Way ahead of you. :)

Maybe you've heard that there's a European Parliament election next month (say, in the cotext of the absurdity of the UK being still in it).

Now there are ads on youtube. A lot.
Not for anyone. Just for the thing.
Apparently the EP has money to throw around.
And the ad is basically three minutes of women giving birth.
Because the EP appears to be an 8th grader with a keen understanding of metaphors.
It's quite cringe.

And the whole premise...
"Yeah, i know the election is going on.
And if i really would not have known, it would have probably have been good to tell me way before we are two minutes deep into birthing women, maybe?
And what's with "Europe" anyway. You act like i've never heard of it.
I'm standing on it, right now; my feet are physically attached to it, resulting in a certain familiarity.
I've heard of the general idea of us making a distinction somewhere. Like, 'there be Asia' and all that.
And how about you care about my best interests for a second, rather than those of some fictive newborn.
And those of birthing women."


Anyway... so i looked up the ad for the existence of the 2014 EP election / Europe being a thing / the concept of voting / whatever.
Aaaand... it's so much worse.
And despite having a more general theme...
...there's actually pregnant women and newborns shoehorned into it.
I'm sorry, but either this is old white men in the EP having some sort of fetish or some ad agency has figured out that "women" have even more of an in group bias than i thought.
This must all be very triggering to trans people.
Also: What's with the passionately kissing couple? That's so heteronormative and problematic.
But hey, 2014 was basically still the unwoke middle ages, right?

Anyway: The thing.
It's on.
I already knew. But thanks for the heads up.
You can stop now.
Curb the ads.
I read the youtube comments for this and it's depressing. And I don't understand why the negative comments are so much upvoted. It doesn't even say who to vote for. Only that you should vote. Sure, there is some legitimate concern for article 13, but still.
That public defense for this ad exists is what's depressing.
 
Das ist mein (auf Englisch) point.
Oh, you were just pushing the button so that a 'tron-in-a-box comes forth. :)

Btw, i was just thinking: Isn't this Very British Porn Ban supposed to happen this summer too?
I mean there's all sorts of funny parallels.
It's very dumb.
Slightly fash arguments are made in favor of it.
It doesn't work.
And it's been delayed roughly seven times.
 
Corbyn and May continue to dither but the clocks ticking.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/24/eu-brexit-greek-debt-crisis-eu-deal

What chance we get another extension if nothing has changed in October?

That depends ofc on what the 27 PMs of the EU member states decide.
The position of the leaders of the EU Parliament political parties that form together an overwheming majority in the EU Parliament is however very, very clear:
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Weber leader for the biggest party the EPP (centre-right), Timmermans for the Social-Democrats (2nd biggest party), Vestager for the ALDE (liberal, 3rd biggest party), Eickhout for the Greens/EFA, Zahradil for the ECR (euro-sceptics), Tomic for the GUE/NGL (Left-Greens). Together polled currently for 585 of the total 751 seats of the EU Parliament.
Those questions were made at the end of a speed interview of all 6 leaders of 20 minutes each here: https://www.politico.eu/article/eur...-commission-president-top-job-the-candidates/
Those election interviews on their main program points give I think a good picture what the EU is embarking for the next 5 years.

The ball is firmly in Westminster... the EU will ignore the spectacle... no way for May or Corbyn to walk away from their own responsibilities for their own country (no way to use the EU any longer for smoke and mirrors).


And regarding that process in the UK: the stew is still brewing.
The only way to avoid that for May is either getting enough support for her deal from the hard Brexiteers (???) or by luring Corbyn into a deal without a confirmatory referendum.
I think she, in a hugely damaged Tory party, is atm mainly interested in getting the Labour party more damaged from its internal divide (on that referendum).
The SNP strongly interested in seeing both parties damaged: getting many of the 59 Scottish MP seats secured for national UK elections in a fractured UK landscape will make the SNP kingmaker.
It's just like Game of Thrones.

The clock ticking indeed... the EU elections nearing... the appetiser of the local elections just a week to go
 
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I would agree that there should be limits on claims

Thank you.

Damages from individuals are de facto limited by their assets and from company owners also by limited liability.
Organisations that benefit from such arrangements shouldnot be able to sue governments without limit.


But it should be more than irrecoverable bid costs. What about the damage caused by loss of market share?

More generally by definition new entrants do not have market share to lose,
so any entitlement to loss of market share inherently favours incumbents.

Regarding the standby ferry contracts, I understand they were for contingency, i.e. in case the existing
UK-EU freight operators could not deliver because of disruption; so any loss of market share would
arise from their failure to deliver, for which UK government compensation is hardly relevant.


Why should the Government get to decide which EU (or UK company after Brexit) gets to
bid for a contract. If a company can demonstrate pre-tender compliance why shouldn't it bid.
In this case Eurotunnel is an existing freight business which could have been expanded,
part of the conditions of the settlement is that such an expansion of capacity does take place.

Not sure what you mean; they can hardly build a second tunnel or (Boris) bridge in 3 months.


It would have been a good idea for the UK to expand the capacity of UK ports other
than Dover but there is no reason why that could not have been done openly.

Problem is that many UK ports are privately owned. And if the law is such that any public investment
decision concerning them can be challenged and any challenger rewarded with damages at large,
it becomes practically impossible for the government to make any investment and paralysis sets in.


The back rooms of clubs taking back control is not what we want.

EU rules don't always prevent government favouratism, it merely complicates it and means that government
choice is done in a more obscure way (PFI) that provides far less transparency and more opportunities for
stiffing the government which of course means the tax payer which of course means you and me.

Afterall what do you really think is going on while we are in the EU with HS2, and chinese nuclear in UK?


Well, of course you do. What's your excuse for the lack of trade deals under Liam Fox, the transport shambles under Chris Grayling and the total lack of parliamentary authority under Andrea Leadsom?

Why should I provide excuses for them? . The conservative party is not paying me to post here.


What chance we get another extension if nothing has changed in October?

Greater than 50%
 
Why should I provide excuses for them? . The conservative party is not paying me to post here.

Well, you're happy to blame Hammond and May, seemingly explicitly because they were Remainers, and there's rarely a peep out of you about the failings of Leave ministers, so I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder this might be. There was also your implication that responsiblity for Brexit lies entirely on their shoulders, rather than, say, the rest of the Cabinet for spectacularly failing to even pretend to have a unified front on this whole Brexit lark.


(Sidenote: Even if we had a Clarkson in government too right now, the more famous trio by that name would still not mess things up as much.)
 
Well, you're happy to blame Hammond and May, seemingly explicitly because they were Remainers, and there's rarely a peep out of you about the failings of Leave ministers, so I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder this might be. There was also your implication that responsiblity for Brexit lies entirely on their shoulders, rather than, say, the rest of the Cabinet for spectacularly failing to even pretend to have a unified front on this whole Brexit lark.


(Sidenote: Even if we had a Clarkson in government too right now, the more famous trio by that name would still not mess things up as much.)

Hungary, Austria and Balto-continuum are more racist than top-gear. You don't seem to mind ^_^
 
Blaming everybody around them will be the only thing left for the Brexiteers and Lexiteers when this whole affair is concluded.
How they are going to avoid the younger generation to settle accounts with them ?
IDK
 
Blaming everybody around them will be the only thing left for the Brexiteers and Lexiteers when this whole affair is concluded.
How they are going to avoid the younger generation to settle accounts with them ?
IDK

Speaking of top gear - apparently it was more popular in Netherlands than Britain :)
 
Speaking of top gear - apparently it was more popular in Netherlands than Britain :)

It was certainly popular here
Even I saw it often !
But that's because I like cars and the nonchalance of their TV making of some beer drinking fellows that also love cars and never grew up.
 
It was certainly popular here
Even I saw it often !
But that's because I like cars and the nonchalance of their TV making of some beer drinking fellows that also love cars and never grew up.

You would watch it for that, yet maybe some others did due to Clarkson's swartepete-isms :o
 
You would watch it for that, yet maybe some others did due to Clarkson's swartepete-isms :o

I am pretty certain that is the case.
We have a popular football TV discussion program where there is a similar bunch in their 50ies and 60ies, very knowledgable on football... and at the same time never got much older than 16... being similar provocative and discriminatory.
I never watch that one.
 
Hungary, Austria and Balto-continuum are more racist than top-gear. You don't seem to mind ^_^

No one has asked my opinion on those countries' policies, but even if they had, it's hardly relevant to the Brexit thread, wouldn't you say?
 
For the benefit of domestic politcs, the UK embarked on Brexit. For the benefit of global reality, the UK embarked on, "Oh, come on, I hope you don't take that domestic politics crap seriously... Wait...You do??? Holy horsehocky, we're Royally screwed!"
 
Holy ****, we're Royally screwed!"

From Royal gossip... I did hear that the Queen has indicated to May that she would not be Royally amused when her family would no longer be the Royal Crown of Northern Ireland
 
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