Brexit Thread VI - The Knockout Phase ?!?

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Thank you.

It is a splendid article, but I think it rather overrates the serious of the proposal.

The cynics would say that Churchill perceivd that mainland France was doomed to fall
to Germany, and he suggested Union to get his hands on the French colonies and navy.

Debating the meaning of words is an open ended business; particularly when the
meaning (or as often the range of meanings) varies in at least 3 dimensions:

(1) geography (US english =/ UK english =/ Indian english
(2) past - present - future
(3) lower - middle - upper classes
(4) profession - layman - priest - lawyer - advertiser - project manager

To me, unity has always been about a common purpose,
whereas union is about a common structure.

If Silurian regards the terms as interchangeable, well in many instances they are.

The way I view it the Venn diagram mapping of variant meanings overlaps, and that can
be exploited to deliberally produce statements meaning different things to different readers.


Now to change the topic, it seems that one of Graylings failings may be reversed:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48288433

Probation service: Offender supervision to be renationalised

The way I see it, the current arrangements don't work, and it is not so much as the conservatives
have tirmed socialist, but that they have now become afraid to recompete as the interpretation of
cascaded down EU law by the current generation of UK judges means that any award to anyone
would almost certainly be challenged in court laying the UK treasury open to unlimited damages.

So in a strange way, the international corporates who lobbied the EU for the Remedies Directive
have unintentionally shot themselves in the foot by building in a risk bias against outsourcing.
 
Is the Maybot actually going to hold a Brexit vote, or is she going to try and postpone it again? They can't make you resign after the vote if you never hold the vote!
Theresa May agrees to set timetable to choose successor said:
Theresa May has promised to set a timetable for the election of her successor after the next Brexit vote in the first week of June.

The agreement follows a meeting between the prime minister and senior Tory MPs who are demanding a date for her departure from Downing Street.

If she loses the vote on her Brexit plan, already rejected three times, sources told the BBC she would resign.

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson has said he will run for leader once Mrs May goes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48290760
In other news, oh God no, BOJO is running.

 
Is the Maybot actually going to hold a Brexit vote, or is she going to try and postpone it again? They can't make you resign after the vote if you never hold the vote!
Aren't we a fortnight away from her end?
 
It is a splendid article, but I think it rather overrates the serious of the proposal.

That is probably true, but I think it makes clear there was more to it than "Churchill's crazy idea that everyone else dismissed out of hand"
 
Aren't we a fortnight away from her end?

I feel like we've been a fortnight away from her end since December.

In other news, talks between the Tories and Labour about a Brexit compromise have officially broken down. Not that there was much chance for success to begin with.
 
I feel like we've been a fortnight away from her end since December.
Well I was making a half-hearted joke about how we're two weeks from the end of May, but that became suddenly prophetic (as seen in the other thread, reposted below) when Theresa May finally agreed toend ‘before the summer’ and in June we'll be having a solstice.
Looks like ole' strong and stable has finally been bullied into resigning.

The race to succeed Theresa May is under way in earnest after the prime minister bowed to pressure to quit before the summer

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...son-conservative-prime-minister-a8917571.html
So…
uppi said:
In other news, talks between the Tories and Labour about a Brexit compromise have officially broken down. Not that there was much chance for success to begin with.
…Well, you cannot exactly negotiate if the person making the agreement is about to leave and the one coming right after her might well be a Trumpite who will refuse to acknowledge any deals just for the sake of it.
 
You also can't negotiate if the other side refuses to shift on those red lines which caused all the problems 2+ years ago.
 
You also can't negotiate if the other side refuses to shift on those red lines which caused all the problems 2+ years ago.

Those red lines more functioning as red handcuffs.
 
Given that obviously the next tory leader (and at least prior to elections, pm of the Uk) will be full brexiter, isn't it time for the eu to do its thing and throw Ireland under the bus like it always meant to?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is some type of "this isn't cancelling the backstop, really" offer by the eu.
That said, due to the ridiculous state of the british gov, and minister Duncan's dumb statements re Cyprus, the latter country won't shy away from vetoing any deal for Britain anyway.
And good for it.
 
Given that obviously the next tory leader (and at least prior to elections, pm of the Uk) will be full brexiter, isn't it time for the eu to do its thing and throw Ireland under the bus like it always meant to?
I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is some type of "this isn't cancelling the backstop, really" offer by the eu.

No it is certainly not the time for that. No matter whether you think there is ever a time for that (and my personal opinion is that no matter what the UK offers, it isn't worth abandoning Ireland), it certainly isn't now. What would be the point in that? It would only increase the support for those who think the EU can be made to back down. Better wait and see what the UK government is going to look like, what it wants, what it is is willing to offer and whether it has the support to do so and then decide what concessions to make.
 
No it is certainly not the time for that. No matter whether you think there is ever a time for that (and my personal opinion is that no matter what the UK offers, it isn't worth abandoning Ireland), it certainly isn't now. What would be the point in that? It would only increase the support for those who think the EU can be made to back down. Better wait and see what the UK government is going to look like, what it wants, what it is is willing to offer and whether it has the support to do so and then decide what concessions to make.

I suppose extending the timeline isn't backing down. Must be a show of strength, then.
 
lol, come on, m8, go easy on presenting lies :p

1) I am obviously not in favour of Ireland being thrown under the bus, i repeatedly said in this thread that i would hate for it to happen.
2) I can indeed see the eu doing it, cause that's what it does.

:thumbsup:

Infact your entire post is rather bizarre. I don't care if brexit or lexit happens, so i am not a "brexiter" either. I am anti-remainer, though. The reason for that is (mostly) because a tory Uk gov will just be more supportive of the destructive eu and pro-austerity garbage-in-eu.
 
I suppose extending the timeline isn't backing down. Must be a show of strength, then.

They were able to dictate the conditions of the extension against the will of the UK government. That looks like a position of strength to me.
 
I said back in April that a long extension would trap the EU in having to deal with Boris. It turned out to not be a very long one, but if the European elections confirm the polls on the catastrophic electoral results of the conservatives they will have to deal with PM Boris before it ends.

Forcing the UK top hold elections was a "legal necessity" that the EU could have ignored, but they thought they were smart in that the threat of elections would put pressure on May and Parliament to agree to the WA. They were too smart for their own good. The only way out was and remains is for the UK to leave. The vote will only confirm that.
 
That rather relies on Boris actually making it to No 10. That's certainly not a forgone conclusion.
 
Wait, what? The UK has been forced to hold elections by the EU?
 
Only the European elections, in common with everyone else in the EU.
 
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