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Brexit Thread VI - The Knockout Phase ?!?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Hrothbern, Mar 22, 2019.

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  1. EnglishEdward

    EnglishEdward Chieftain

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    I rather think that would depend upon how long a gaol sentence he would get, and whether they keep rolling on the extension.

    I doubt that people will just go out and start a riot.

    They would start off with the "Free The Boris" placard etc protest marches, but they would degenerate into riots.


    Beliefs and opinions you disagree with are not necessarily lies.


    The £350 million/week has already been discussed incessantly in public for three years.
     
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    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    I'm curious as to why we are supposed to be cowed by the threat of Brexit demonstrations (and alleged riots) when left-of-centre demonstrations are totally ignored by the governments of the time, e.g. the Iraq War demonstration or the recent climate change protests.
     
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    I am not sure who is expecting you to be cowed by the threats of Brexit demonstrations.

    Regarding the Iraq war, the Iraqis impacted were not, alas, in London to protest.

    Regarding climate change, the UK government has responded to the issue over the last decade.
     
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    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    If Boris goes to jail he will have time to write a book. Like another imprisoned german politician did :)

    He can even get tips by fellow incarcerated tory J. Archer.
     
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    And Jonathan Aitken, another Tory ex-jailbird, who sadly is now to be seen pontificating on TV as if he were an elder statesman and not someone convicted of perjury.
     
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    yes !
    Regression to the glory of the 19th century

    I saw BTW in that article that "Failing Grayling" was also responsible for the wrecking of the prisons quality.
     
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    Fish is barely edible, gov'na.
     
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    How do you mean ?
    Charles Dickens wrote about prisons and how bad it was.
     
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    Once again, it is an instance of rules made in the UK, by the UK, and blamed on the EU by Brexiteers.

    Polls can be made public after voting ends in other EU members, simply because their governments haven't made such laws there.
     
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    We had yesterday evening an exit poll of Ipsos and today from Ipsos the analysis of the movements towards the Social Democrats and comparisons with the last elections, and ofc the % per party eurosceptic etc.
    It's kind of a tradition here that we demand expect that we get during the full evening (and deep in the night) of the election the results and comments and experts and lose analysisses, and soon after fuller analysisses.

    We have also the old tradition in the Netherlands that every (voter) citizen is allowed to be in the poll station where after the counting the result is directly made public to the audience: "hear, hear... etc"

    So we had parallel to the Ipsos exit poll, a much broader "poll" based on the exact results of roughly 700 polling stations (of the in total roughly 9,000 polling stations).
    Volunteers of that polling initiative were at the polling stations and communicated the results to a central point where our polling guru did put those data in his models to adjust for regional effects.
    Based on this poll, from a sample of more than 500,000 voters, we got a better estimate, which shows BTW that the populist rightwing PVV of Geert Wilders could very well disappear in the final results (going down from 4 to 0 seats) and the populist rightwing FvD got 3 of the seats of Geert Wilders. The evangelist Christian parties, marked as eurosceptic in international articles stayed at 2 seats but has only 8% voters that want out of the EU, and the eurosceptic Socialistic Party, that had 2 seats got 0 seats. In general the more eurosceptic parties had lower turnout from "their" voters from past elections. In general the (ideological) leaderships of eurosceptic parties are more eurosceptic than their voters. They get disconnected at the moment on that topic.
    And the Social Democrats are certainly the biggest party going from 3 in 2014 to 5 or more likely 6 now.
     
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    If May stops being pm at June 7 will she have been pm for longer than Gordon Brown?
     
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    Well with Boris likely to succeed her we may get the new idiot, worse than the old idiot.
    Lets just hope some of those Tories who said they wouldn't stay Tory if Boris was leader actually meant it.
     
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    As at 29th May (next Wednesday), she'll become only the sixth shortest-serving Prime Minister since 1900 and no longer the shortest-serving one this century.

    Meanwhile, Boris has claimed that if he's elected, Britain will leave the EU in October, come what may. Good luck getting that one past Parliament.
     
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    The Brexiteer theory as expounded by Rees-Mogg is that they don't need to get it past Parliament.
    Parliament passed Article 50 so all they need do is wait until the extension runs out.
    They could be right from a legal pov so hopefully that handful of Tories desert him and we get a general election.
     
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    Well, as I understand it, since the various "Henry VIII" powers haven't been used, we'd be both in and out at the same time, since the Government can't unilaterally reverse all the various pieces of legislation that would be necessary to fully decouple from Europe. I won't pretend to have studied it in any great detail, though.

    Of course, this is also Boris speaking, who has long practised the joys of saying any damn thing he thinks will get him into 10 Downing Street.
     
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    It looks like Queen Elisabeth II has still a chance to push King George III from the first place.
    King George III enjoyed 14 Prime Ministers during his reign from 1760-1820. BTW also the King during who's reign Ireland was united in the United Kingdom.
    Queen Elisabeth II, so far from 1952-2019, would also reach 14 when the successor of May is installed.

    And when Boris Johnson breaks the record of George Canning, being 119 days in 1827.... well... who knows :)
     

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