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Brexit Thread VI - The Knockout Phase ?!?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Hrothbern, Mar 22, 2019.

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  1. sherbz

    sherbz Chieftain

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    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...g-out-alastair-campbell-labour-lib-dem-brexit

    Hear hear. I particularly like the bit where Jeremy Corbyn, in a past life, congratulated George Galloway on standing as an independent on the Respect platform against a Labour candidate in Bradford. He wrote:

    Well, thats all perfectly above board now then isnt it.
     
  2. Kyriakos

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    Surprise as the guardian is openly blairite :)

    Hm, is there any national newspaper which presents views closer to the leadership of the labour party? Cause the guardian sort is blue labour. @Traitorfish ?
     
  3. sherbz

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    Probably the New Statesman, the Socialist or solidarity are closer to the mark. But they're magazines not newspapers.
     
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    I think that - regardless of brexit - it is an issue: labour simply isn't just some blairite mps. In a future election - if the situation is sustained - a minority of labour mps will be sympathetic to blue labour and/or blairism. So some newspaper should exist to express that as well, imo.

    Eg here there are national-circulation newspapers for just about any part of the political spectrum, even for fringe views.
     
  5. Arakhor

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    I didn't vote Labour on Thursday either, so I'm not sure for which single issue you think I'm voting.
     
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    Possibly brexit.
     
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    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/tags/brexit

    not quite a national newspaper though
     
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    In the UK that isn't the case. Daily Mirror, Guardian and Independent (now online only) aren't Tory, the rest are. There are also some important regional newspapers, most notably the Scotland and the Herald which cover more than just local issues.
     
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    I like the Guardian and get most of my international news on their international edition web. I brows it a couple of times a day. My most trusted source is still SVT, which is basically the Swedish BBC. What I like about guardian is the scale of reporting. They can have up to ten articles from different perspectives on a hot topic. I certainly don’t always agree with the editorials and I think at least historically they have done serious harm to Corbyn for example but that’s part of the media click bait game. Guardian is top “social liberal potpourri” and I can appreciate that for what it is.
     
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    Oh he definitely will, it's just a question of how long for.
     
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    Remind me again just how many Tories voted against the PM's deal in Parliament? It's a matter of public record, so I'm sure you'll find it easy to find out. What's more, unlike us mere peons getting a single vote three years ago, they've had three votes in the last 6-7 months alone and they still couldn't vote to leave the EU. Reality is a cruel mistress, wouldn't you say?
     
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    There is always the Morning Star

    https://morningstaronline.co.uk/


    Both Conservatives and Labour are running scared of a general election
    as they fear losing to the Brexit Party and to the Liberal Democrats.

    They may end up agreeing to another referendum instead.
     
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    I was under the impression that Corbyn at least publicly preferred a general election to a second referendum?
     
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    I think that's still the preferred option for most of the Labour leaders although some eg Dianne Abbot, Starmer, Thornberry (not exactly Blairites) think supporting a 2nd referendum would help Labour in a general election.
     
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    Maybe you should have a referendum to ask if there should be a second referendum :)
     
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    Corbyn has recently stated crystal clear that he would table a motion of no-confidence as soon as the new PM was chosen.
    And thatis clearly aimed at new elections.

    Can he back away from that promise ?
    And if Corbyn lingers... can another opposition party table a motion of no-confidence ?
    And if so... can Corbyn back away from that vote ?
     
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    A general election probably won't solve the problem anyway (unless the Brexit Party wins an outright majority :eek:).
    Doesn't look like either Labour or the Tories would win an overall majority and they both have internal divisions on this issue.
     
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    That certainly was, and currently is, his preference.

    That may be his concern too, particularly if someone has shown him the seat allocation Hrothbern reproduced here a few days ago.
     
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