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Brexit Thread VII - Revenge of the Brexiteers

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cheetah, Jul 26, 2019.

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  1. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    I don't know why I wrote pay rather than pass.
     
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    Obviously parapraxis, Watson ;)
     
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    So, it seems that Johnson fancies another slap-down by the courts, if we can believe "a senior Downing Street source".

    Sayeth the Guardian:

    After MPs voted by 322 to 306 to withhold approval of his EU exit deal, the prime minister was obliged to write to Brussels by 11pm last night to request an extension until 31 January 2020, in order to comply with the law under the terms of the Benn act. But with the deadline approaching, Johnson wrote to Tory MPs saying he would tell the EU that “delay is not a solution”.

    A government source reinforced the message, saying that “the PM will not negotiate for an extension – he will tell EU leaders this weekend that there should be no delays”. The source suggested that Johnson would palm off responsibility for the letter to parliament and ask the EU to “reject parliament’s letter”. Downing Street indicated that Johnson would write one letter to comply with the Benn act, requesting an extension, but also “an additional letter” making clear that delay is not necessary as he still believes the Brexit legislation will pass by the current 31 October deadline for leaving.

    A former Tory cabinet minister said Johnson was clearly behaving in a way that was “against the spirit of the Benn act”, which required him to have asked for an extension by 11pm last night if no Brexit deal had been approved by parliament by then, or parliament had not given its backing to a no-deal outcome. The former minister said: “I think this will end up in the courts again. This is clearly against the spirit of the Benn act and is not consistent with the assurances that were given by Downing Street to the Scottish courts about applying for an extension. It will also put government law officers in a very uncomfortable position.”
     
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    Tbf, what did Bojo expect? He has been endlessly insulting Corbyn ever since he became pm. Why would Corbyn not leave Bojo out to do and die on his own?
     
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    We will see if civil servants and government law officers finally develop a spine.
     
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    The stupid thing is that the legislation could pass into law in just two weeks, but he has to insist on playing to the gallery, despite the fact that anyone paying attention doesn't believe a word he says.
     
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    He did the two letter thing? Ridiculous. But it fits the situation, which continues to be utterly ridiculous. If Parliament wants to govern, Parliament must appoint a PM that will do as it says.

    Never has a worse bunch of sniveling, scheming cowards sat on that house before.
     
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    A very good reason for Boris to want to Leave the EU on Oct 31 ?

     
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    I knew it.
     
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    Thank you for those references.

    I went to the first link that you referenced,

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...companies-and-eu-anti-tax-avoidance-directive

    and this is what the HMRC advice says:

    The second link had much the same.

    The other links were more about exchanging information.

    If it is to have negligible impact on the exchequer, why are the financial capitalists so worried?

    I understand the leave by 31 October 2019 date is because that was the date the EU chose
    when an extension was previously requested, and that the oft quoted suggestion that it is
    about corporate Brexit backers dodging tax is little more than a conspiracy smear theory; not
    that different from claims about selling the NHS to Trump and abolishing all worker rights etc.

    There are issues with global tax avoidance, but IMO attempts to impose global solutions are a red herring.

    I rather think that Boris has, with aid of Dominic Cummings, merely trapped himself with his own rhetoric.
     
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    Ofc not planned because of that Oct 31.
    But getting close, why miss out that opportunity to avoid EU meddling in UK sovereignity to choose "her own way" in dealing with global Finance ?

    Leaving to get out of the shackles of regulations hindering "free trade" is the general objective of the Britannia Unchained ERG Brexiteers.
    Regulations on free flow of Capital and tax avoidance not a conspiracy part of that !
    The EU goes the slow way of inch by inch regulating this abuse of public money and public interests. Like rope pulling because the political opinions differ within the EU on the importance and consequences.

    Here a recent article on how City cowboys siphoned 60 Billion from (other !) EU countries:
    Here a dispute on 2 Billion fine from the EU that the UK faces because of a Chinese import scam
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-imports-scam-say-eu-anti-fraud-investigators

    Here the headline of Bloomberg on the total tax (incl VAT) avoidance in the EU in 2017:
    And yes... the thoughts grow in the City to not aim anymore at protecting current revenue in Financial Services of the City in the EU by aiming at "equivalence" with the EU, but simply cut loose from the moorings, forget about hindering effects of EU equivalence, and seek the opportunities from "Global Financial Service".
    And protecting public money from abuse ?
    Well is the saying not that crooks tend to not make their own nests dirty ?

    I do think that this abuse by the very wealthy and big investors does need regulations at supranational level or at least at the level of financial-economic superpowers or blocs, like the US, EU.
     
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    The UK cannot deal with global finance.

    If it wasn't for the political problems in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong bankers would have taken over the London stock exchange.

    All it can do, if it gets itself organised, is to deal with finance in the UK.

    As for that sixty billion, the financial class keeps the money; leaving the odinary UK citizens to pay the fines via their taxes.
     
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    So it looks like the EU is going to wait for a bit until they decide what to do with the extension request. Which means, Johnson has roughly one week to get his deal through parliament. If he does, there will likely be no extension or a very short one. If he does not, there will probably be another few months extension.
     
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    What a surprise. No one needed yet more proof that the Eu desperately wants a deal.
     
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    Ofc it wants a deal. Just not at any price like the Brexiteers assumed.
    From what Starmer has been saying Labour will back the deal if a 2nd referendum is attached.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ll-if-second-referendum-attached-says-starmer

    Not sure how I feel about that. Its a bad deal that doesn't really satisfy anyone but might win a referendum due to fatigue and people wanting Brexit to be over.
     
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    But I am not seeing this parliament agreeing to a second referendum option in the first place :) So is this more meaningful than just empty-ish statements?
     
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    MPs are getting pretty tired of the whole thing too. Supposedly some of the Cabinet are arguing for a 2nd referendum too. We will see if its just hot air in a day or 2.
     
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    Brexit won't be over in the slightest. This is the easy bit, where we negotiate the easiest deal in human history and go on to the land of milk and honey. The realities of attempting to trade without the EU backing us up have yet to dawn on people.
     
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    At least your media keeps inviting important people to shed light on things.

     
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    If I want to find supercilious, oleaginous arseholes in need of a good kicking, I'll do it without risking my blood pressure from watching more than a second of Farage.
     
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