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Brexit Thread VIII: Taking a penalty kick-ing

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by tjs282, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    I don't disagree, but the Government has already shown that it will throw the DUP under the bridge in a heartbeat if it suits them and spend months denying something that they later go on to do.
     
  2. Hrothbern

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    Every vassal should know its fate when no longer needed.
    Hard work to make sure your Lords believe that you are needed.
     
  3. Chukchi Husky

    Chukchi Husky Lone Wolf

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    I've heard a lot of complaints again about the European Union.

    History have proven over and over again that the EU doesn't work and it will never work.
    Federations do not work as they force the same set of rules onto vastly different people.
    The EU is erasing thousands of years of European history and culture by forcing everyone to be the same.
    The EU has turned its member countries into children that are incapable of doing anything without help from the EU.
    The EU has ruined Greece.
     
  4. Gorbles

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    It sounds like you the people who you get your opinions from espouse some kind of white power rhetoric, because this is a very common completely unsubstantiated claim white supremacists like to make. I'd be cautious about relaying these uncritically and without your own reading.
     
  5. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Tbh not sure what "white supremacy" would have to do in the context of Eu turning everyone to the same. The Eu countries have something like over 95% white majority...

    Also, they aren't turned into the same. As things are, this is hardly a union.
     
  6. innonimatu

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    If it had admitted Turkey we could joke that it was neither a Union nor European. Does Cyprus count as Asia?

    Nothing will manage to force Europe to be the same. Much as people in Brussels wish it, it won't happen. And it's not member countries that become "children", it's member governments that get to treat their electors as children constantly playing the card of "the EU told us so".
     
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  7. Arakhor

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    Yet as Chukchi's "friends" show, you can't stop people pretending that their govts are telling the truth, because it allows them to tell really stupid whoppers that suit their particular grinding axe.
     
  8. Takhisis

    Takhisis Free Hong Kong

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    How? When?
    That's not the case here. The EU is a supranational entity, not a new national one.
    [citation needed]
    Definitely not. As innonimatu says, country-level governments feck up and then claim that it's the EU's fault. Such as, you know, austerity and intentionall defunding the NHS and then saying that Brexit would get the NHS more funding.
    Yes-ish. rather, forcing them to keep the euro as their currency instead of allowing them to devaluate helped make their debt incontrollable. Lending people more money than they can pay is usury. So for that both Greece's governments and the various advisors, planners, arbiters, etc. are to blame here.
    But for the EU as a whole, I'd say [citation needed].
    Also, ‘the EU ruining Greece’ does not mean any of the other propositions you mention are true, nor does it mean that somehow it magically follows that ‘EU bad! leaving good!’.
     
  9. Chukchi Husky

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    They're not white supremacist. If anything, they blame the rise of white supremacy as a reaction against the EU forcing everyone to be the same.

    Every single time a country declares independence from a larger country.

    It's still the same thing for them, forcing rules on vastly different people. As they've said many times before, the Germans are not French and the French are not German.

    They don't blame that on the EU. The austerity and defunding of the NHS is because the country has no money, as Labour spent all the country's money when they were last in power.
     
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  10. Arakhor

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    You already told us about that particular stupid idea.
     
  11. Chukchi Husky

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    They still keep bringing it up. They've even mention that the Scottish Parliament should be scrapped because it's costing the country too much money.
     
  12. Arakhor

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    Because they're apparently ignorant Englishmen who believe everything the Tories tell them.
     
  13. Chukchi Husky

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    They have said that their entire family have always voted for the Conservatives for the past seventy years.
     
  14. Arakhor

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    Well, that is their democratic right, but it doesn't magically make their opinions more accurate (or even sensible).
     
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    Meanwhile, Arakhor has always voted for the Lib Dems, thus enabling the tories :mischief:
     
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    Blaming the EU for white supremacy via allegedly enacting a popular white supremacist conspiracy theory is circular logic. The point is that "forcing everyone to be the same" is a white supremacist talking point with regards to Western countries and their individual cultures and histories.

    The EU is forcing what, exactly? Please detail in what way French-speaking France, Germany-speaking Germany, Italian-speaking Italy . . . all with functional education systems (up and down, sure, as with all countries) that do indeed teach historical relevance of their own countries throughout history . . . are being "forced" to be the same? Beyond the adoption of the centralised currency (which has been in place for decades at this point, and does not explain the more recent revival in white supremacist movements).

    You messed up your quotes - I didn't make that argument. That said, you've trotted out the "Labour spent all the country's money" before, and it was arguable then. Why are you still repeating something as though it were basic fact?

    I ask because it's kinda silly to keep having to argue against the same things again, and again. If you wish to believe these opinions that you are told so uncritically, without entertaining anything anybody says as a response . . . why post them?
     
  17. Arakhor

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    Like millions of people in the country, I live in a two-horse race constituency. In my case, the Lib Dems aren't in that race.
     
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    By having an organization that has power over their countries, enforce rules, laws and regulations that go above the national governments of these countries. All these countries are vastly different from each other and are being forced the same set of rules in order to make them equal, erasing their local identities, as a part of the EU wanting to turn all of Europe into a communist state.

    They were proven to be right the last time it was brought up.
     
  19. Arakhor

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    Except that they weren't and this isn't the thread for hysterical/deliberate misunderstandings of UK politics.
     
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    An organisation those countries freely joined.
    Regulations designed to ensure a free and common market in goods and labour that the member countries agreed to. Those countries retain their own languages, education systems etc.
    The EU a communist state? :lol:


    No they weren't.
     

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