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Brexit Thread VIII: Taking a penalty kick-ing

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by tjs282, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. AmazonQueen

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    One of my friends joined the LibDems back in the Blair days when they seemed more radical than Labour. Hes back in the Labour Party now.
     
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  2. Timsup2nothin

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    I've given more thought to the thread title. Really should have gone with "penalty kicks." Much better description of the process. I'm starting to wonder just how long you UKers are going to lay there and let this Brexit thing keep on kicking you.
     
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    yeah
    If you have more migrants than new houses, you keep a shortage, you increase house prices, buy or rent, and "annoy" the young starters (buy or rent).... and make the wealthy and nouveau middle class wealthy more wealthy. At the same time increasing the amount of money flowing, sloshing between banks.

    It's one of the two reasons why I plea always to have a surplus of (rental) housing compared to demand (and good light rail public transport around job clusters)
    The other main reason is that mobility is severely hindered when you do not have surplus rental housing where the jobs are.
    This becomes all the more important for two reasons:
    1. At higher labour participation (closing in to full employment), you need to offer as government a setting where people can retrain all the time new capabilities to move to new functions AND easy mobility towards the new kind of jobs.
    2. Considering that a single household is marginal living unless you have a higher income. => many people (in a two earner household) are locked into one location, because when one of them should move to another job in another location. the other one has to scramble for a job there as well. AND that at the double risk of both having no job when things do not match as thought.
    Being able to rent a (tiny starter) housing near the job for one at affordable price. Being able to jump when the other has found a fitting job to rent a bigger housing when things are allright, catalyses mobility.

    These hindrances of mobility bite deeply into the urban-rural divivide, the urban-rural economical diverge.
    And house ownership is an amplifier in that locked-in effect.
    When you own a house in a slowly dwindling more rural town, your house price will go down as well relatively to a replacement house. => the citizens are taking all the risks.
    The practical effect is the man having a job at risk. The woman some part-time junk admin-service job at minimal wage. The house going down in value.
    You need only to wait to see high percentage of personal insolvencies.
     
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  4. AmazonQueen

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    tjs282 Socially distancing since 1975

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    You're absolutely right: "Taking a penalty kick-ing" would have worked, but sadly, that inspiration didn't strike me at the time...
     
  6. Arakhor

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    We're only 100 posts in, so if you want to change the title to that, go ahead. ;)
     
  7. Timsup2nothin

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    We can always just save it for the next thread. That should come up in a few months, yes? I mean, no one seriously thinks this Brexit business is ever going to end, do they?
     
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    Not for years, no. "Let's get Brexit started!" isn't as catchy, but that's what the Tories are promising.
     
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    So when will the schizophrenic/good cop/bad cop (UK/Germany/France) number resume? It's all suspended until the UK election is done?
     
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    tjs282 Socially distancing since 1975

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    Ah, I overlooked the 'Thread Tools' drop-down earlier. Now done, thanks :)
     
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    We're all humans at the end of the day. Besides, there's no "claim" about it - just cast your mind back to March and the repeated actions of the ERG.
     
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    So Farage may not be the our saviour:
    Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage has said it will not stand candidates in the 317 seats won by the Conservatives at the 2017 general election.
    Mr Farage said fielding candidates across the country could increase the chances of another referendum on the EU taking place.
    Instead, he said the party would concentrate its efforts on winning seats held by Labour.​
     
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    And there you have it - there's no longer any difference between the Tories and Farage's outfit, though I guess that it was hard for Farage to find 650 non-problematic candidates.
     
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    This is ridiculous... This is... Farage :p
     
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    Just eleven days after being "forced" to stand in all parliamentary constituencies as well.
     
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    And after having claimed that Bojo's brexit would be worse than remain. Man has no shame.
    And still apparently there are cretins who applaud him.
     
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    Looking on the bright side, this does mean that the leave vote is split in all the tories target constituencies, possibly making it harder for them to make gains.
     
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    That's gonna make it vastly more likely that there will be a Brexit by the end of January then.

    This Christmas and New Year's celebration will be ones to remember, I think.
     
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    Good for you that Farage seems out of the picture, but being stuck with Boris as PM is also a hopeless future.

    I still don't dare hope for the best, but who knows? Corbyn is an old hand at politics, perhaps his gamble on not taking a side in the brexit division will pay off, and the UK will manage to have both a proper brexit and a proper government to handle it. But that would require an outright Labour majority, one that did not let the PM hostage to the remaining blairites in the PLP. It's hard to hope for the best. Still... the worst jumped into the sinking LD ship.

    My guess is that it may come to depend on how badly the SNP does in Scotland with its push for independence just a few years after losing the referendum. Rather shamelessly hypocritical, given that they agreed to the terms of the last referendum which was supposed to sort it out for a reasonable time, a generation (couple decades) would be the reasonable wait for a new one. On this one issue I get very pissed off at the likes of Craig Murray and other hardcore scottish separatists. They utterly ignore the fact that an independent Scotland would be hopelessly consumed with internal conflict if it left only with about half its population supporting that move. They lost that one, get over it and prepare properly for the next, if they're old and don't live to see an independent Scotland so what, the issue is greater than their wishes.
    If the SNP takes most scottish seats then Labour will be unable to form a stable government even if it wins. Granting independence to Scotland is out of the question without a new referendum and it is too soon to do another, it's hard enough (a mistake imo) to even attempt another brexit referendum as Labour has promised. But the SNP will demand its own referendum as the price to support a Labour government.
     

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