Britain/England - Modern Age Civilization speculation

[Inhalaattori]

I dont think they are in the base game. This is purely because what we know about Exploration Age Civs. No room for Britain. Britain is probably one of the first DLC Civs though.

To me it seems that modern Civs are likely:
France
Russia
Ottomans
Buganda
Meji Japan
Qing (China)
Mughal (India)
Siam
Mexico
America

 

[Haig]

I dont think they are in the base game. This is purely because what we know about Exploration Age Civs. No room for Britain.

'Brexit means brexit!"
- Lord Boris Johnson

 

[Krikkit1]

They became absent.

or American

I dont think they are in the base game. This is purely because what we know about Exploration Age Civs. No room for Britain. Britain is probably one of the first DLC Civs though.

To me it seems that modern Civs are likely:
France
Russia
Ottomans
Buganda
Meji Japan
Qing (China)
Mughal (India)
Siam
Mexico
America

Yeah.. the only 2 on that list not confirmed are Russia and Ottomans... and I definitely see either of those covering more "space" than Britain

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Yeah.. the only 2 on that list not confirmed are Russia and Ottomans... and I definitely see either of those covering more "space" than Britain

And between Russia and the Ottomans, Russia has some evidence for it, while we have none for the Ottomans.

 

[Inhalaattori]

I feel Abbasid and Mongols need to have modern age Civs that make some sense. Ottomans would fit that role.

 

[Krikkit1]

And between Russia and the Ottomans, Russia has some evidence for it, while we have none for the Ottomans.

Yeah I could see Russia and... Maori or Sioux, some Indigenous group that provided solid resistance and built up a force in the modern age.

Russia works with Mongols (as do Qing and Mughals)
Mughals work with Abbasids (but Ottomans are Better for that)

In considering the OP though, I am sure there Will be a Modern British civ, if not in the announced DLC, then in other DLC by sometime 2026.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Yeah I could see Russia and... Maori or Sioux, and Indigenous group that provided solid resistance and built up a force in the modern age.

In considering the OP though, I am sure there Will be a Modern British civ, if not in the announced DLC, then in other DLC by sometime 2026.

Eventually, I'm sure

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I feel Abbasid and Mongols need to have modern age Civs that make some sense. Ottomans would fit that role.

Mongols have presumably Qing, and Russia if they are in the base game.
Both of them could go into Mughals as well.

I do agree that the Ottomans do make sense, but the only problem is we haven't seen any evidence of them yet. If they do surprisingly appear I think that would mean Britain and modern Germany will be out, and saved for early DLC. Then again, we have some evidence of Frederick the Great appearing, but would he really be paired with France or Russia for the base game?

 

[Fummy]

Most likely name is simply Britain, or perhaps British Empire, like how we've seen the French Empire called, although that is a reference to the actual French Empire of Napoleon, while the UK was never called an Empire officially, only the colonies were. UU has to be redcoat IMO, no other descent options. but much more interesting is what the unique civilian unit will be.
I would love a great person list for the unique civilians, since so many great scientists and engineers from 1600 on were British. Maybe call them Fellows of the Royal Society (way too long I know) and have Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Turing, Davy, Kelvin. Maybe I'm a bit biased towards Physics...
It will probably be something boring like a unique naval commander like Chola has. In fact i'd bet money thats what it will be.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Most likely name is simply Britain, or perhaps British Empire, like how we've seen the French Empire called, although that is a reference to the actual French Empire of Napoleon, while the UK was never called an Empire officially, only the colonies were. UU has to be redcoat IMO, no other descent options. but much more interesting is what the unique civilian unit will be.

I would expect the civ to revolve mainly around Victorian Era Great Britian. I do think calling them the British is likely.

I would love a great person list for the unique civilians, since so many great scientists and engineers from 1600 on were British. Maybe call them Fellows of the Royal Society (way too long I know) and have Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Turing, Davy, Kelvin. Maybe I'm a bit biased towards Physics...
It will probably be something boring like a unique naval commander like Chola has. In fact i'd bet money thats what it will be.

By the time the Modern Age comes there might be air commanders too. If they do get a commander, I could see a hybrid land, naval, and air commander likely.
But a group of unique engineers and scientists would be just as fitting.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

@Boris Gudenuf - disagreed on the first battleship image - whiel the main armamant layout is clearly that of an early dreadnought, the secondary armament is pure pre-dreadnought and entirely out of place for a Dreadnought.

BUT having 3 or 4 main gun turrets is distinctly Dreadnaught - it was the expansion from 2 - 4 main guns to 10+ (and the extra speed from going to steam turbines) that was the defining characteristic of the Dreadnaught.

Which, admittedly, means that this ship shows characteristics of both the last pre-dreadnaughts built (secondary armament) and the earliest Dreadnaughts. And just to add to the confusion, there is another ship shown with it:

Which looks even more like a Pre-Dreadnaught battleship! (specifically, the pronounced 'tumble-home' hull side reminds me of the French turn of the century pre-dreadnaughts which were very distinctive)

I suspect there are either regional variations or Uniques sneaking into this mix which, until we know more about the Modern Age, makes real identification impossible.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

So, we have 11 civs:
African: Buganda (confirmed)
American: America (confirmed), Mexico (confirmed)
Asian: Meiji (confirmed), Mughal (confirmed), Qing (confirmed), Siam (spotted)
European: Britain, France, Germany, Russia

One of them is out and will probably join in "Right to Rule" collection.

Agreed. Thoughts:

• Britain: big market, has a logical exploration age predecessor, would attract the most English-speaking complaints about "they purposefully kept a core civ out of the base game so they could sell DLCs!", would actually generate lots of such DLC sales
• Germany: not quite so big a market but still big, has the least obvious connection to earlier age civs, could fit easily in a popular DLC featuring more of central Europe's history, doesn't seem a good fit for the name "Right to Rule" or "Crossroads of the World", would they delay focusing on German-language civs until the second round of DLCs?
• Russia: smaller market than the other two, has a logical exploration age predecessor, fills up more of the map (unless you count Victoria's map as Britain's map), not including in the base game will be seen by some as a political decision

On balance, I think Russia is the most likely to be in the base game. I'm leaning to Germany being the one that is delayed (possibly even past the first two DLCs), but I wouldn't be shocked if it turns out to be Britain that's in a DLC (in which case it will absolutely be in one of the first).

EDIT: some people are speculating Ottomans. That would shock me. They're DLC material, in my opinion, possibly in "Crossroads of the World".

 

[Evie]

Back in 1977 or 1979 when Claster TV (Owned by Hasbro) licensed Space Battleship Yamato from Westcape (Yoshinobu Nishizaki's branch office in America), it was also the first time Americans learned the name of one of the biggest Mangaka legend 'Leiji Matsumoto'. originally with his name romanized in america as 'Reiji Matsumoto' even in 1972 he already use 'L' in his name in place of 'R'.

A tiny number of Americans. You're still *grossly* overestimating how much cultural impact Starblazers had.

The British and French have also different designs, as well as Germans which had Bismarck.
I don't know why Iowas have TWO smokestacks while Yamato class has one (and slanted, rather than bended)

Because more smokestacks allow the ship to have more spread out engine rooms with less need for internal piping. Having more spread out engines reduces the chance of a single hit taking out multiple boiler rooms/engines (and possibly the entire power and movility of the ship) at once. Less need for internal piping allows the ship to save on weight and space needed while reducing the chance of accidents involving. On the flip side, less funnels made a ship harder to see and to estimate its speed and trajectory,

 

[trev1972]

I am beginning to think Britain wont be in the game, which as a brit is depressing. Part of me wants to say i will refuse to buy any brit dlc as a matter of principle but i doubt i will stick to that.

However for the unique units, redcoat as mentioned but i would definitely look at the age of sail for the naval unit.
The problem for me is that i loved seadogs (since capturing prizes was a huge motivation for RN captains) and i loved the royal naval dockyard (since industry was a huge part of why the RN did so well) so i am struggling to think of a better option

 

[Xandinho]

Thinking about it, the British, along with a great monarch from their history, make a lot of sense for the Right to Rule.

 

[notNamed]

Which, admittedly, means that this ship shows characteristics of both the last pre-dreadnaughts built (secondary armament) and the earliest Dreadnaughts. And just to add to the confusion, there is another ship shown with it:
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Which looks even more like a Pre-Dreadnaught battleship! (specifically, the pronounced 'tumble-home' hull side reminds me of the French turn of the century pre-dreadnaughts which were very distinctive)

I suspect there are either regional variations or Uniques sneaking into this mix which, until we know more about the Modern Age, makes real identification impossible.

Well the ship in your picture is Mikasa so a Meiji/East Asian variant of the ship type.
You have the golden chrysanteum at the bow, two chimneys further into the front, 2 main batteries, two tiers of main side-guns, 2 elevated decks, etc. It was a 1900 battleship so indeed a pre-dread one.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Well the ship in your picture is Mikasa so a Meiji/East Asian variant of the ship type.
You have the golden chrysanteum at the bow, two chimneys further into the front, 2 main batteries, two tiers of main side-guns, 2 elevated decks, etc. It was a 1900 battleship so indeed a pre-dread one.

Mikasa is one of the last of the Pre Dreadnoughts. The sole survivor in fact.

 

[notNamed]

Mikasa is one of the last of the Pre Dreadnoughts. The sole survivor in fact.

I wouldn't call it a survivor given it's just the shell of a ship encased in concrete with no guns, mostly no instruments and so on. It's more of a themepark made from spare parts and some painted metallic tubes faking the original armament for photos from the outside, rather than a "surviving battleship".

Real surviving warships from the era are the likes of Olympia (US), Aurora (Russia), etc. Those are actual ships just kept in dock as a museum exhibit. A completely different concept to Mikasa memorial in Yokosuka.

 

[Evie]

Not quite Mikasa, because again the artist couldn’t resist the appeal of MOAR GUNZ (and making those guns bigger) - Mikasa had a 2x2 main battery and 14x1 secondary; this one has a 2x3 main battery and 18x1 secondary; and the guns and superstructure take up far too much of the deck (the ship also sit far too high on the water), but clearly evokes a Japanese pre dreadnought, yes.

Technically another case of a dreadnought/pre dreadnought hybrid, as the triple turret only appears in the dreadnought era.

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

Does "Right to Rule" fit modern England?