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British Industy Criticise "Failing" educational system

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Norlamand, Dec 26, 2004.

  1. Norlamand

    Norlamand Procrastinator Rex

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/4121851.stm

    Firms criticise school 'failings'
    The education system is failing too many young people, making them unemployable, business leaders say.
    The Confederation of British Industry (CBI) is calling for an "assault on the failings of the education system".

    It says too many of England's school leavers cannot read or write or do arithmetic properly.

    The government insists much progress has been made in improving basic skills since the introduction of strategies on literacy and numeracy.

    But the CBI's director general, Digby Jones, said: "My fear is that many who cannot read, write or add up properly will find themselves unemployable - and the problem is only going to worsen.

    "This is a scandal, but it is not a new scandal. It's not a problem that has been created by this government. Indeed, ministers have done a lot to chip away at the problem since 1997.

    "But let's be honest, no political party has cracked this one."

    Bigger progress

    His organisation said it was poor that only about one in two school leavers in England achieved GCSE maths or English qualifications at grade C or above.

    The government suggests the claims are unfair.

    A spokesman for the Department for Education and Skills said the recent international Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (Timss) reported that primary school pupils had made bigger progress in maths than those in any other country.

    "This summer's results for 14-year-olds also showed that we are making good progress in raising standards in the core subjects of English and maths for 14-year-olds."

    Under proposals put forward by Mike Tomlinson for a shake-up of the education system for 14 to 19-year-olds in England, all school-leavers would be required to take a "core skills" test.

    This would cover literacy, maths and information and communication technology.

    The government is due to respond to Mr Tomlinson's proposals in the New Year.


    Story from BBC NEWS:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/education/4121851.stm

    Published: 2004/12/27 02:01:23 GMT

    © BBC MMIV
     
  2. cgannon64

    cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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    Man, Norlamand, you're really being hard on the British today. :lol:
     
  3. Norlamand

    Norlamand Procrastinator Rex

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    I thought Zulu might like to hear from this side of the Atlantic.

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  4. HamaticBabylon

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    Looks like the sun has set on the British educational system, there days has the best in the world are long over, no longer shall the multinational companies employ lazy British folks. I expect the Untied States to follow suit.

    Roll on to China and india...
     
  5. cgannon64

    cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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    Ah! I knew there must have been a cause. :lol:
     
  6. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    It's funny, but everything you are posting is just backing up zulu -- the British government is doing a bollocks job and a more left wing government would do it better.

    Thank you for posting these threads! More reasons to vote for the Liberal Democrats!
     
  7. zulu9812

    zulu9812 The Newbie Nightmare

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    Absolutely! Many thanks, normaland :goodjob:

    guess i was right about right-wingers being thick...

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  8. Desmond Hawkins

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    I might pay attention to Norlamand on this.

    Britain is no Canada with regards to education. :D
     
  9. anarchywrksbest

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    It's not the education system, it's the culture these students live in. It's acceptable for them to piss about at school and then they look for someone to blame when they leave with no qualifications. Most people go through the education system and turn out fine.
     
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    cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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    Can you guys tell me how a left-wing government would solve the education problems? In Britain, in America, anywhere. What about socialism allows for better education?

    Is the new proposed "core skills test" going to educate children better? Or will it just create a wealth of statistics that they are failures? (For an example, look to a recent Regents - high school math standardized test - in New York City. An overwhelming majority of the students failed, and as a result they were technically not allowed to graduate. The city bypassed the problem by dropping the results and letting them all graduate with failures.)
     
  11. anarres

    anarres anarchist revolutionary

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    Socialism allows for a better overall education system because more poor people who have aptitude get to take part in the education system. A capitalist society will have much less tax money going to educate poor people.

    Wow. The most over simplified answer I've ever given, but you did ask a very over simplified question...
     
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    Comparing a few numbers might be enlightening.

    Scientific Literacy world rankings (15 year-olds)

    UK - 4th
    US - 14th


    Reading Literacy world rankings (15 year-olds)

    UK - 7th
    US - 15th


    Mathematical Numeracy world rankings (15 year-olds)

    UK - 8th
    US - 18th




    And in case you think the above statistics are down to expenditure...

    Spending per student (Secondary Education/High School)

    UK - $5,230
    US - $7,764
     
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    cgannon64 BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!

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    I guess it did seem over-simplified, but it is because you misinterpreted it. I wanted to know what the socialists in Britian intended to do to reform the situation. Is the answer just to throw money at it? Because that is what I got from your answer.
     
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    You can lead a horse to water but can't force them to drink. In the old days they could cane it into you. Now the students can get away with anything and then blame someone else when they fail.
     
  15. A'AbarachAmadan

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    No wonder the following occurs:
    I go to BK, get a price of $5.32
    I give them $6.07 so I can get three quarters
    They stare at me for a few seconds, type in $6.00, set the 7 cents down, make change, then pick up the 7 cents back in and give all to me. When I hand them the dime, 2 nickles and 5 pennies back and ask for a quarter they have to count it at least twice. You'd think folks would at least be smart enough to type in the money given.

    The scary thing, I've actually a scenario like this happen over a dozen times.
     
  16. anarchywrksbest

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    Did you ask for the three quarters? Because I work in a shop and I would just assume you didn't count your money correctly.
     
  17. Chukchi Husky

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    I am a product of the British education system, and I'm failing...
     
  18. Zardnaar

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    Try blaming yourself
     
  19. A'AbarachAmadan

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    No, not unless they ask about the extra change. When I was a teen, I had dozens of people do this on a daily basis and I had to make change in my head. Now they don't even plug it in the register. Maybe it was a local think, but everyone I knew did it.
     
  20. Yom

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    Those are interesting figures to know. Would you mind telling me from which site you got them?
     

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