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Brothels now legal in Canada

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Puck Nutty, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    That's an issue, certainly. But I don't see what you think you are going to do about it.

    Now if we had many more and better jobs for the young and unskilled and a better social safety net, then perhaps many fewer women would chose the sex industry. But the fact remains that for the amount of work, they can simply make far more money. You may be able to stop forcing women into it. But many will make the choice voluntarily. Is it right to stop them?
     
  2. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Massively increase the supply of prostitutes, thus creating a drop in price? :mischief:
     
  3. Eat_Up_Martha

    Eat_Up_Martha Prince

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    What? Why would something be wrong or illegal if it benefits everyone?
     
  4. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Doesn't that just describe work in general?
     
  5. Yeekim

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    Even supposing that is true - which I, like many others here, do not buy - how is outlawing prostitution actually helping those who find themselves forced to become ones?

    So, rather than close this last resort option, we should strive to make sure there are other options.
     
  6. Harvin87

    Harvin87 The Youth

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    About damn time for christs sake!!:goodjob:
     
  7. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Deity

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    exactly. I can't believe the anti-capitalist posts I'm seeing in this thread. Is everyone on this forum a commie? Am I the only capitalist here?

    The argument goes they shouldn't have to do something like that just to make a living. So why then must I sweat and work hard at my job just to survive? Why isn't the government providing me with free housing and food so I'll survive? Why do people care about the prostitutes living conditions and not mine? Why do people think we should give prostitutes jobs that make over $80,000 a year when they have no skills? I fail to see how this is a failure of capitalism.

    I'll come right out and say this anti-capitalism argument is plain stupid. If anything, it should be wrong because it spreads disease, not because people have to work to eat. Yes, even with a condom there are certain diseases that can be spread. At least argue prostitution should be illegal to prevent the spread of diseases. That's a much more sane argument.
     
  8. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Well, I happened to making precisely the opposite suggestion, but I suppose at least we agree that prostitution is in no fundamental sense unique...
     
  9. caketastydelish

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    If the definition of prostitution is "selling your body" then everyone is a prostitute, because everyone uses their body in some way, shape, or form at their job.
     
  10. Disgustipated

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    yup, I used my body this morning, and I am sore. I am out of shape, I know. Nevertheless, my employer used my body to get a job done.
     
  11. caketastydelish

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    I am a student in college, and based on the unproportinal percentage of what people are majoring in, people are majoring in a few select fields just for the money, and not because they like it. People are selling their souls to the devil, with TONS of people majoring in Engineering or Nursing for no other reason than "that's where the jobs are". It's not because they like the fields, or have a passion for it. I wouldn't be surprised if a prostitute salary is even higher than that of a Nurse for example, only I doubt you have to go to college to become a prostitute, and plus, I don't think all prostitutes hate what they do for a living. I would like interviews of actual prostitutes as well as polls that show how they feel about their work, rather than fact-less politically correct statements such as "this is discrimination against women" or other nonsense.
     
  12. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    I don't have the book with me, but I would reccomend you check out Superfreakonomics. They devote an entire chapter to the subject of prostitution and look at both the high class escorts and the street-corner girls.
     
  13. Oerdin

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    The real question is how much will the hookers cost? :p
     
  14. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    Defining a legal career as slavery is hilarious. Is it slavery to work for Wal-Mart? Is it slavery to dig ditches for the county? No, it is a job you choose to partake in. If a woman wants to earn money via sex she should not be held back from that dream. Maybe she enjoys it? You don't know and never will. Plus, strippers get paid a ton of cash and they make far less than legal prostitutes would. I know a stripper, she loves her job.
     
  15. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    Goggle "escorts toronto" and see what you get. :mischief:
     
  16. kochman

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    And the exchange rate!
     
  17. RobAnybody

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    Done. (it's nothing racy if you want to click on it - it's literally just a list of prices for the 1st result you get by Googling "escorts toronto")

    The suggested "donations" are $350/hour, $700 for 2 hours (duh), $1,000 for 3 hours, $1,500 for 5 hours, & $2,500 for overnight. 25% extra if paying by credit card.
     
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    Hahaha... is that suggestion like the Met in NYC, where you are asked to pay $20, but you can pay a penny and get in?!
     
  19. Defiant47

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    Disclaimer: I'm probably not going to be able to upkeep this level of response, as I'm slowly starting to get closer to 60 hours per week and beyond...

    I don't understand this "legislation of morality". Do we have laws against theft? Murder?

    This law against prostitution would be a law against the exploitation of women. We have laws against rape, right? My reasons for prohibiting prostitution are not centred around the idea that "prostitution is morally wrong".

    Again. "No one is forcing you" is insufficient. There can still be various points of pressure that may "force" a woman into it, of her own free will.

    Yes. I'm using "woman" and "her" as a blanket pronoun to make discussion easier.

    Both? Societal, financial, psychological pressures can lead someone to do something exploitative "freely".

    Any other job only requires your time. The issues of capitalism cannot be addressed directly, but they can be denied from affecting women in such a manner.

    Selling your body in this regard is a psychological venture that no woman should be forced into, even of her own free will.

    Prohibit prostitution. If we can't build a society that provides properly for all of our citizens, we can at least forbid and prevent things that lead them down damaging paths as a result of society's inadequacy (whether physically, psychologically, or both).

    It is wrong to allow them to engage in such acts as a result of a failure in the social net.

    Again, everyone keeps talking about "make far more money". The fact that they can make money speaks nothing of the morality of allowing them to do this. It is exactly because they can make money, that they are forced into it (since our safety net sucks in some areas), and so have to go through something that they shouldn't.

    Out of principle?

    What if murderers ended up killing more people (e.g. cops) if we tried to catch them than if we didn't? What if fewer people were to die if we would just surrender to our political enemies?

    The point is that once we have determined that prostitution is wrong, our resources and focus should be on its prevention. We don't change laws just because they're hard to enforce (or rather shouldn't).

    As well as close it. It shouldn't be open in the first place. At least not unless those other options are universally ubiquitous.

    Then you are a capitalist. I'm not going to go into the capitalism = slavery argument. But the problem is that you may be forced to partake in a job that you dislike, simply to ensure that you can make a living (for yourself and potential dependents). OK, fine, that's how capitalism works. However, that "job" that you're forced to take, should never be something such as prostitution. Hence its prohibition.

    I am all for prostitution for those who actually enjoy it, and are making a true and real choice to partake in it.

    However, I believe that forbidding those women from partaking in it is an acceptable price in order to ensure that women who are pressured/forced into it (whether due to financial or other reasons) cannot engage in it.
     
  20. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    It's been prohibited most places in the US for the past century. There's no less of it because of that. It's just less safe for the prostitutes themselves.
     

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