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Brotherhood or Kueche, or...?

Discussion in 'Eagles' started by Calis, May 23, 2011.

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Brotherhood, Kueche, or...?

Poll closed May 25, 2011.
  1. Brotherhood

    33.3%
  2. Kueche

    66.7%
  3. let's find Anarchy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. we will do it solo

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Calis

    Calis on time

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    Dear team,

    I need to know who we want to co-operate with.

    Given that strange discussions with the Brotherhood lately I am not sure anymore what to think.

    So I want your guys' opinion. I will follow whatever the team decides.
     
  2. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Hmmm. I want to discuss the options a bit more. The Brotherhood says we need to wait at least two turns (so they can find out how tight the can turn the screws on us, or negate our counter-proposal). The deal with the Kitchen of CB and WC for CoL is a bit lop-sided. As we have entered no contract with the Brotherhood, we are free to find the Anarchy.

    Maybe one of the reasons the Brotherhood is stalling for a couple of turns is because they have realized the Anarchie is going to find us. We should probably change our counter-proposal to reflect this new development (if, in deed, it exists).

    Right now, I would choose the last option of "doing it solo", but just temporarily. We can't force any changes at this point, so we should see what develops in the next two turns before making a decision like this poll wants us to make. The Brotherhood would make a good ally, but they seem to be at a fork in the road, where if they go one way, we may not appear as valuable to them. Whereas we ARE valuable to the Kitchen regardless of how you look at it.

    Let's see if the Anarchie appear on our shores before making this decision.
     
  3. Calis

    Calis on time

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    I have no trouble with such a discussion. I just wanted to starts something...
     
  4. CharlemagneXLII

    CharlemagneXLII Prince

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    I'm leaning towards Kuche now. Map making was the right choice, since we've made it clear to both teams we have contact with that it'd be our next tech. I have no problem making a lopsided deal to get them CoL since they can then start on the Republic.

    I really don't want to enter any sort of gpt deal with anybody as that stalls our own research capabilities. Kuche has been offering frankly better and more even (over time) tech for tech deals, and, as Cyc pointed out, they are in a much worse position diplomatically than the Brotherhood (so we should be able to secure that deal). The only thing I see the Brotherhood offering at this point is the Republic faster. I can live with putting off our revolution for about 12 turns, besides we'll be able to crank out some dromons (and do some more expansion) during that time.

    The other advantage with dealing with Kuche is that we don't have to fight them right away. We can use our dromons to their full potential by pillaging the coasts of the other continent. Since the Brotherhood is seafaring, we might be able to put ourselves in 1st for GNP if we destroy enough improvements. At any rate I don't think invading Kuche will be easy at all (especially if we're up against Samurai), but we're in a great position for coastal plundering.

    I think we should apologize for the delay to Kuche, tell them we're Byzantium (that's why we went for MM), accept their deal and get them CoL ASAP. And tell the Brotherhood to guard their coasts.

    EDIT: I don't think we can really wait for too long, as either team will assume we're dealing with the other team if we wait for that long (especially Kuche, we've been stalling for too long). I really don't expect Anarchie to show up soon, the Brotherhood wouldn't have asked us not to meet them if they knew they were on the way.
     
  5. Chamnix

    Chamnix Chasing Time

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    I don't like the Brotherhood anymore. I would work with Kuche until we find Anarchie.
     
  6. Calis

    Calis on time

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    Maybe we can somehow dogpile the Brotherhood. Currently I am of the opinion they deserve it. :evil:

    I will create a letter for Kueche.
     
  7. Bowsling

    Bowsling Deity

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    I think I would change my vote to Küche as well. They have been far more honest, they aren't demanding that we avoid making contact withanother team, and we are a more sea-oriented team, whereas Küche seems to be more focused on land (especially if the Japan hypothesis is right).
     
  8. Sparthage

    Sparthage Fighting Tyranny

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    Well, if we have to choose one or the other, I'd rather go with the Brotherhood, but the Kuche will be fine as well.
     
  9. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    I haven't been following this very closely. What did the Brotherhood do to incur our wrath?
     
  10. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Nothing really. But twice we've asked them for some information and they treated us like red-headed step-children. We couldn't get straight answers from them. The Anarchy was almost as vague when we asked them for the same info, but were willing to fork over somethings that seemed more truthful and open. That's when the door slammed on the BH. We decided to hook up with the Kitchen and seemingly back the Anarchy so they would declare war on (or at least go to war with) the BH. This would allow us to become a strong Continent while weakening the other Continent.
     
  11. Calis

    Calis on time

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    From my point of view they had an annoying way to haggle for trades many turns ago. Thus, we said, ok for now we are not going to deal with them.
     

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