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Budget 1570AD

Discussion in 'Civ2 - Game of Democracy II' started by GaryNemo, Jan 10, 2003.

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How shall we manage the Empire of NUF, Treasury $1809?

Poll closed Jan 15, 2003.
  1. A. Keep Tax 20, Lux 30, Science 50% as always?

    6 vote(s)
    75.0%
  2. A. Change Tax or Lux%, see post?

    1 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. B. REGIA CIVITAS=12: PRB $164 Sewer in 2

    6 vote(s)
    75.0%
  4. B. Elysium=12: PRB $112 Sewer in 3 (then Bank?)

    7 vote(s)
    87.5%
  5. B. Reneaux=12: PRB $34 Market in 2, Irrg

    7 vote(s)
    87.5%
  6. B. Reneaux=12: Then build Sewer, of course!

    6 vote(s)
    75.0%
  7. B. Neuma=8: PRB $110 Aquaduct in 4

    6 vote(s)
    75.0%
  8. C. Generally, use Forest to speed production

    4 vote(s)
    50.0%
  9. C. Generally, use Road or Ocean to boost trade

    4 vote(s)
    50.0%
  10. C. Generally, use Grassland & Fish to speed growth

    2 vote(s)
    25.0%
  11. D. We need more Vans.

    5 vote(s)
    62.5%
  12. D. We need more Engineers.

    4 vote(s)
    50.0%
  13. D. We need more Dips.

    5 vote(s)
    62.5%
  14. D. We need more Dragoons.

    2 vote(s)
    25.0%
  15. D. We need more Muskets.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. Also, start a couple more Aquaducts.

    6 vote(s)
    75.0%
  17. Of course, build a mixture, such as my post...

    1 vote(s)
    12.5%
  18. Let's go Theology Bach and Democracy no matter what!

    6 vote(s)
    75.0%
  19. Nemo, we need more polls than this! See my post.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    I recommend keeping 20,30,50% and all $large expenses. We have Hipsheim frozen at Size=2 ready to support an army. All we need is Bach and Democracy.

    We have $1800, and earn $110 per turn.

    Please post today and vote tomorrow. Vote for all B's :lol:, one C, and a couple D build priorities.
     
  2. Jayne

    Jayne Emperor

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    How do people feel about purchasing Antioch and Marco's? I feel we can do it now and still have enough money for the last few Vikings. Shall we do it anyway? When the are in unrest? Or not for some time? I think Marco's will be useful in picking our next target, plus the Persians may ask for peace once we seize a town.
     
  3. funxus

    funxus Orange Cycloptic Blob

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    Why not RB $152 Sewer in 1 (then harbor) ?
    I think we shall let our SSC get the money it needs so that we can grow it up to 20+. If that means we can't by Antioch, we could wait a few more turns and buy it then.
     
  4. Jayne

    Jayne Emperor

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    Antioch would cost us $1664, leaving $145 - more if we sell Trondheim's barracks as suggested.
     
  5. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    Good ideas! Let's hear some more alternatives, and I'll try to poll again tonight so people can vote over the weekend.

    So far, Elysium $112 or $152, and Antioch. Antioch seems too far away for my comfort. We could build a Ship Chain some day. Persia is indeed a tasty target - an easily defended group of cities, but India is close and no Walls. And it appears we have worn out our welcome with the Indians, too bad for them.

    We also need to consider Dip embassies, and $bribe what.

    Someone voted for all 3 C options, seems useless.
     
  6. Duke of Marlbrough

    Duke of Marlbrough The Quiet Moderator Retired Moderator

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    I think it means that it is dependant on the particular city situation, that a 'global' idea shouldn't apply to all cities. :)

    I would prefer to concentrate on finishing off the Vikings as well as rushing the needed sewers and aqueducts first. I'm always open to buying more cities, but let's make sure we have enough to protect it.
     
  7. funxus

    funxus Orange Cycloptic Blob

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    That's probably me, and as duke said, some cities need production, so that a city with a production of 7s doesn't waste 6s just because the build only needs one more shield to be finished, some need Trade (Elysium) and others need food. A surplus of 10 foods is pretty unnecessary if the city is celebrating, and maybe we should boost trade or production in such cases.
     
  8. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    Elysium SSC is completely ready to pop to Size=16 and beyond, and RC can grow with $164 PRB Sewer in 2 turns. Reneaux is already Size=12 and Celebrating, even without the Market. Maybe we want to switch to Sewer first, but I still think Market would be best due to food stress. I'm thinking of polling the fine points as follows:

    Refresh the Dip Guard network ASAP
    Need new Dip guard in Routs ASAP
    Need several Dip guards in Scandanavia, now none!
    Subvert Jorvik, probably $cheap? (R)
    Elysium PRB $112 Sewer in 3, or
    Elysium RB $154 Sewer NOW?
    Elysium next Bank
    Elysium next Harbor
    Elysium next other, see post
    Reneaux: PRB $34 Market in 2? (R)
    Reneaux: PRB $34 Sewer in 6?
    Reneaux: PRB $54 Sewer in 4?
    Reneaux: PRB $74 Sewer in 2?
    Subvert Antioch $1664 to get Marco Polo?
    Bribe Indian Cat on SW Island $200?
    Bribe Indian Elephant in Mtns $324?
    Bribe Indian Knight in Mtns?
    Dip Embassy w India? (R)
    Dip Embassy w ... see post?
     
  9. Jayne

    Jayne Emperor

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    Please can we bribe Antioch! Please, Please, Please!!! :lol:
     
  10. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    No, your majesty. It would not be safe. But I will submit the idea to the people.

    I also generally recommend IPRB and PRB, rather than the gross inefficiency of Rush Buy. But we will see.
     
  11. GaryNemo

    GaryNemo Settler from None

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    This DSL is all F**d up here at Little Nemo, so I can't just edit the above post.

    My Queen, for a mere 30s Dip we can know all about the Indians, ditto the Persians.
     
  12. Octavian X

    Octavian X is not a pipe.

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    As the FA advisor, I support building a few embassies.

    And Antioch... I'm divided. It would be an excellent base for any military opernations, but would we be able to defend it in the short term? Or maybe it has a large garrison...
     
  13. Zwelgje

    Zwelgje Deity

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    Money is winning our war now so it is clear we need more trade: vans establishing trade routes and making money, diplos to spend the money on bribing, that's our tactic, that's what we're good at.

    Having Antioch is nice with Marco's.
    But when I read Gary's post above... He's right, a few diplos can give us all the info we want for a fraction of the cost! We'll get Antioch no matter what but we shouldn't hurry just because of Marco's. Let's wait until it goes into disorder or until we get their capitol: it will be much cheaper then. :)
     
  14. Jayne

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    Can I buy it if it goes on sale then? Any defence will be upgraded by Leo's shortly after, plus I think they will continue to attack the fortress before Antioch.

    If you agree, please say. I'll go with the majority!
     
  15. el_kalkylus

    el_kalkylus Civ2 spearman

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    I think it's good to PRB more caravans, and establish embassies with each civilization (or buy Antioch with Marco Polo's Embassy). I am also in favour of building more engineers to increase population later.

    The faster we get to trade with caravans, the faster we get more money and science.
     
  16. Zwelgje

    Zwelgje Deity

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    I think whether or not we will bribe Antioch completely depends on the result of the poll to decide who we're gonna attack next. When we go after the Spanish it would be unwise to spend lots of money on Antioch as we need it to bribe Spanish cities. However, when it's on sale and the price is right.... it's tempting isn't it? :)
    I don't think you should cause a war by bribing Antioch though. Next turn we should bribe Gordium and then we'll see what the Persians have to say. They'll probably ask for a cease fire or something!
     

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